The National for August 8, 2019 — Fugitive’s Family Speaks, Climate Report: Eat Less Meat

The National for August 8, 2019 — Fugitive’s Family Speaks, Climate Report: Eat Less Meat


(*) (*)>>Ian: TONIGHT, AFTER THE MANHUNT. RELIEF, MOURNING AND STILL MANY QUESTIONS.>>YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST INCONCEIVABLE.>>Ian: THE FAMILY OF ONE OF THE MURDER SUSPECTS SPEAKS TO CBC NEWS WHILE THE COMMUNITY TRIES TO MOVE ON. WE’RE ON THE GROUND IN B.C. AND MANITOBA. (*)>>Andrew: THE U.N. TARGETS WHAT WE GROW, EAT AND THROW OUT.>>WE NEED TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE OUR FOOD SYSTEM.>>Andrew: THE VERY PERSONAL CHALLENGE IN A NEW CLIMATE CHANGE REPORT. ARE YOU UP FOR IT? (*)>>Ian: AND…>>HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THIS?>>NEVER.>>Ian: THEIR CREDIT CARD DEBT IS FORGIVEN.>>I WAS AMAZED.>>Ian: ONE BANK’S UNUSUAL PARTING GIFT FOR ITS CUSTOMERS.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>>ANSWERS — NO MATTER WHAT YOUR CONNECTION IS TO THE STORIES OF KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY OR THOSE THREE PEOPLE WHO WERE MURDERED, ANSWERS ARE WHAT MANY ARE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. SOME, LIKE THE CAUSE OF DEATH, WILL HOPEFULLY COME FROM THE AUTOPSIES NOW UNDERWAY ON THE TWO BODIES RECOVERED YESTERDAY. BUT WITH THOSE DEATHS AND WITH THE RCMP STAYING TIGHT-LIPPED ABOUT MOST OF THE DETAILS, OTHER ANSWERS LIKE WHY THE TWO MAN RAN, AND THE MOTIVES FOR THE MURDERS — THOSE ANSWERS MAY NEVER COME. AS TANYA FLETCHER TELLS US, AMONG THOSE LEFT WONDERING ARE THE FUGITIVES’ FAMILIES.>>YOU HAVE THIS VISION THAT THEY’RE GOING TO WALK OUT OF THE BUSH AND THAT’S GOING TO BE THAT, BUT THAT’S NOT THE CASE.>>Reporter: JOHN MCNABB IS BRYER SCHMEGELSKY’S GREAT UNCLE. HE LAST SAW HIM THE DAY BEFORE HE AND KAM McLEOD LEFT LAST MONTH, HEADING THEY SAID TO WHITEHORSE.>>WE HAVE A YOUNG PERSON WHO WAS BASICALLY GOING OUT TO FIND HIS FORTUNE AND FIND HIS WAY OF LIFE.>>Reporter: WHAT POLICE SAY HAPPENED NEXT HAS LEFT THIS FAMILY IN A STATE OF DISBELIEF. MCNABB DESCRIBES SCHMEGELSKY AS BEING VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE ACCUSED KILLER AND THE WANTED FUGITIVES THAT CANADIANS KNOW.>>IF YOU MET THESE TWO FELLAS, YOU KNOW, THEY’RE NOT — NOT PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD BE AFRAID OF, THEY JUST DIDN’T HAVE THAT PRESENCE.>>Reporter: MOST PUZZLING OF ALL IS WHY — WHY DID THESE TWO YOUNG MEN KILL LUCAS FOWLER AND CHYNNA DEESE AND LEONARD DYCK. MCNABB SAID THAT THE PAIR HAD LEFT WITH A FAIR AMOUNT OF CASH.>>THEY WOULD TYPICALLY BE THE KIND OF PEOPLE HELPING SOMEBODY, INSTEAD OF HURTING SOMEBODY. TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IS THE FAMILIES’ WISH AND ANYTHING THAT THE FAMILY CAN DO WITH REGARDS TO HELPING THAT INVESTIGATION, WELL, IT WILL BE DONE.>>Reporter: THE FAMILY HAS GROWN FRUSTRATED WITH THE LACK OF INFORMATION COMING FROM POLICE. THEY SAY THEY’VE HAD TO RELY ON REPORTS FROM THE MEDIA FOR DETAILS ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION.>>IT CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE FROM THE FAMILIES’ POINT OF VIEW TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THEY LINKED BRYER AND KAM TO THESE EVENTS.>>Reporter: THEY’RE LEFT DEEPLY UNSETTLED NOT KNOWING HOW OR WHY OR WHEN THE PAIR DIED.>>WHEN IT HAPPENED, HOW IT HAPPENED, ANYTHING ELSE. THE RCMP HAVE NOT DISCLOSED ANYTHING TO US.>>Reporter: RECOGNISING SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS MAY NEVER COME. THEY’RE LEANING ON MEMORIES OF A BETTER TIME.>>TO US, YOU KNOW, THAT’S WHAT WE’RE GOING TO REMEMBER IS — IS THAT KIND, POLITE YOUNG GUY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS 6-FEET TALL AND LOOKING TO FIND HIS WAY.>>Reporter: HOW THAT WAY LED TO THIS POINT THEY MAY NEVER KNOW. AND IN THAT THEY’RE NOT ALONE.>>OUR HEARTS, OUR PRAYERS, GO OUT TO THE OTHER FAMILIES.>>Reporter: TANYA FLETCHER, CBC NEWS, PORT ALBERNI, B.C.>>Ian: AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND GILLAM, TODAY MARKING THE START OF GETTING BACK TO NORMAL. AND AS ANGELA JOHNSTON EXPLAINS, BEING AT THE CENTRE OF THAT MANHUNT MAY HAVE SOME LASTING EFFECTS.>>Reporter: IT’S ONE OF DENBY FARE’S FAVOURITE PLACES TO FISH AND PICKEREL IS HIS CATCH OF CHOICE ON THE NELSON RIVER. BUT BEING ALONG THE SHORELINE OF A RIVER THAT HAS DRAWN SO MUCH ATTENTION IS BRINGING UP QUESTIONS AND CONFUSION ABOUT THE END OF A WEEK-LONG MANHUNT.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WERE NOT FOUND FOR SO LONG. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY WERE DEAD FOR A LOT LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT. BECAUSE THEY HAD HELICOPTERS SEARCHING AND FOR MULTIPLE DAYS AND THEY COULD NOT FIND THEM.>>Reporter: WHILE RCMP BELIEVE THAT THEY FOUND THE SUSPECTS’ BODIES THEY’RE STILL SEARCHING THE SCENE WHERE THEY WERE DISCOVERED. ABOUT EIGHT KILOMETRES FROM WHERE THE BURNED OUT S.U.V. LINKED TO THE PAIR WAS FOUND.>>OUR FORENSIC IDENTIFICATION SPECIALISTS ARE ON SCENE AND THEY’RE GOING TO PROCESS THE SCENE OF WHERE THESE BODIES WERE LOCATED.>>Reporter: ALTHOUGH SCENES OF A LARGE-SCALE MANHUNT HAVE DWINDLED, FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AND AROUND GILLAM WILL LIKELY TAKE LONGER FOR THE UNEASE TO DO THE SAME.>>YOU SAO NO STRANGERS IN TOWN, AND ANYONE LOOKING LOST OR AWRY, IT WOULD NEVER CROSS YOUR MIND TO BE AFRAID TO APPROACH SOMEBODY TO OFFER YOUR HELP. I THINK THAT WE OBVIOUSLY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEERY.>>IT DIDN’T FEEL RIGHT TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE IN TOWN BEING AFRAID LIKE THAT.>>Reporter: SOME ARE WORKING TO BOOST THE COMMUNITY’S RESILIENCE. HE PAINTED THIS MURAL AT A HANGOUT SPOT IN GILLAM DURING THE SEARCH.>>IT STARTED WITH THIS EYEBALL HERE.>>Reporter: TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT WAS OKAY FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUTSIDE DESPITE THEIR FEARS. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STOPPING BY AND HE HOPES THAT IT WILL KEEP HELPING IN THE FUTURE.>>I FEEL THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES OVER AGAIN, I FEEL THAT PEOPLE WILL LOOK BACK AT THIS AND TAKE SOME INSPIRATION FROM THAT. SAY, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN’T LET THIS FEAR TAKE OVER OUR COMMUNITY OR OUR LIVES. AND WE SHOULD FIGHT TO TAKE THAT BACK, YOU KNOW?>>Reporter: THERE IS A FEELING THAT THIS AREA WILL BOUNCE BACK BUT THERE ARE STILL LINGERING QUESTIONS WHY THE SUSPECTS MIGHT HAVE CHOSEN TO COME TO THIS AREA. THAT ANSWER, LIKE SO MANY OTHERS, MIGHT BE LOST FOREVER. ANGELA JOHNSTON, CBC NEWS, GILLAM, MANITOBA.>>Andrew: YOU’VE HEARD THE WARNINGS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE BEFORE BUT TODAY A CHALLENGE OF SORTS FROM THE UNITED NATIONS. IF WE WANT TO SAVE OUR PLANET WE’VE GOT TO CHANGE WHAT WE EAT AND HOW WE PRODUCE IT FAST.>>A MOVE TO A MORE BALANCED DIETS COULD HELP US TO ADAPT TO CLIMATE CHANGE.>>Andrew: SO HERE’S THE LOWEDOWN FROM THE U.N.’S INTERNATIONAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE. THE WAY THAT HUMANS PRODUCE FOOD NOW, A CLIMATE DISASTER, DESTROYING THE LAND, AND THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. THEY SAY THAT HUMANS USE ABOUT THREE-QUARTERS OF ALL OF THE ICE-FREE SURFACES IN THE WORLD. AND THAT AGRICULTURE ACCOUNTS FOR 70% OF ALL FRESHWATER USE.>>WE HAVE A VERY STARK CHOICE. WE EITHER CHANGE OUR FOOD SYSTEM AND MANAGE ALL OF THE COMING CHALLENGES, OR WE SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES WHICH WILL BE PERIODS OF GREAT FOOD INSECURITY.>>Andrew: SO WHAT TO DO? WELL, THE REPORT SAYS REDUCE DEFORESTATION, REDUCE FOOD WASTE. BUT HERE’S THE PART THAT MAY REALLY HIT HOME FOR YOU — REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MEAT AND DAIRY THAT YOU EAT. THE REASONS? RAISING ANIMALS FOR FOOD CREATES FAR MORE EMISSIONS THAN YOU MIGHT THINK. ACCORDING TO ONE JAPANESE STUDY, THE PRODUCTION OF ONE HAMBURGER CREATES AS MUCH GREENHOUSE GAS AS DRIVING A CAR FOR 320 KILOMETRES. SO THE U.N. IS CALLING ON FOOD PRODUCERS AND CONSUMERS TO MAKE CHANGES. BUT AS ALISON NORTHCOTT REPORTS, SOME CANADIAN FARMERS ALREADY HAVE.>>WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS WE’RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR SOIL QUALITY IN THE BEST SHAPE THAT WE CAN.>>Reporter: SASKATCHEWAN FARMER JOHN BENNETT PRACTISES WHAT IS CALLED THE ZERO TILL FARMING.>>IF WE TILL AROUND TOO MUCH WE TURN IT INTO FLOWER AND HAS IT NO ABILITY TO RESIST WATER EROSION OR SOIL EROSION.>>Reporter: HE SAYS THE PROCESS HELPS TO PROTECT HIS LAND AND LIVELIHOOD AND HAS ANOTHER BENEFIT TOO.>>WE DO A TREMENDOUS JOB IN TERMS OF ATMOSPHERIC INTEGRITY BY CAPTURING CO2 IN THE ATMOSPHERE AND STORING IT IN OUR SOILS.>>Reporter: THAT’S TO REDUCE THE IMPACT THAT THE FOOD PRODUCTION HAS ON THE PLANET.>>YOU HAVE TO RUN A BALANCE BETWEEN, SHALL WE SAY, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND ECONOMIC PRODUCTION OR FOOD PRODUCTION.>>Reporter: VERNON KIRK IS ONE OF THE REPORT’S LEAD AUTHORS. HE SAYS THAT CANADA HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA EMISSION RATES IN THE WORLD, BUT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT CANADIANS CAN DO.>>WHETHER THAT IS THROUGH IMPROVED SUSTAINABLE LAND MANAGEMENT OR IMPROVED FOREST MANAGEMENT, OR THE CONSUMPTION OF FOOD, REDUCTION OF FOOD WASTE, THE CHANGES IN DIETS. MORE PLANT BASED AND MORE GRAIN BASED. AND LESS HIGH EMISSIONS MEAT PROTEIN BASED. ALL OF THESE ACTIVITIES INFLUENCE THE EMISSIONS FROM OUR BEHAVIOUR.>>Reporter: THE REPORT SAYS THAT CUTTING MEAT CONSUMPTION EASES PRESSURE ON LAND AND WATER RESOURCES. BUT THE CANADIAN CATTLEMEN’S ASSOCIATION SAYS THAT IT’S A LEADER IN SUSTAINABLE BEEF PRODUCTION AND SAYS THAT CUTTING DOWN ON MEAT IS NOT THE SOLUTION.>>IN CANADA WE’RE ONE OF THE MOST EFFICIENT PRODUCERS OF BEEF CATTLE WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST FOOTPRINTS IN THE WORLD.>>Reporter: ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS SAY THAT CANADA SHOULD HEED THE WARNINGS ABOUT LAND USE.>>WE CANNOT TAKE THESE NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS FOR GRANTED. WE HAVE TO WORK HARD TO PROTECT THEM. BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THE SYSTEMS THAT BOTH HELP US ADAPT TO SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.>>Reporter: SHE HOPES THAT THE REPORT WILL LEAD TO MORE COMMITMENTS FROM WORLD LEADERS MEETING AT A U.N. CLIMATE SUMMIT NEXT MONTH. ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS, MONTRÉAL.>>Andrew: WE’RE GOING TO GO IN-DEPTH ON THIS STORY LATER IN THE PROGRAMME AS WE EXPLORE WHETHER INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOU AND ME ACTUALLY HAVE AGENCY HERE AND, IF SO, WHERE OUR EFFORTS ARE BEST SPENT. THAT’S IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES.>>>NOW A STATE OF AGRICULTURAL DISASTER HAS BEEN DECLARED IN A COMMUNITY NORTHWEST OF EDMONTON. THE REASON? RAIN — TOO MUCH OF IT. AND AS RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN SHOWS US, FARMERS IN LAC STE.-ANNE COUNTY ARE STARTING TO GET DESPERATE.>>THAT’S DEAD.>>Reporter: DENNIS POTTER IS NOT COUNTING ON A GOOD CROP THIS YEAR.>>WE ARE THREE WEEKS FROM HARVEST AND I DON’T THINK THAT WE’LL GET IN — WE WON’T GET IT IN IF IT CONTINUES.>>Reporter: AFTER A MONTH OF ALMOST NON-STOP RAIN, ABOUT A THIRD OF HIS 120-ACRES OF OAT CROPS IS A WRITEOFF.>>I HAVE FARMED FOR 60 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS.>>Reporter: IT’S MUCH THE SAME SITUATION ALL AROUND LAC STE.-ANNE COUNTY. LOCAL OFFICIALS ARE WARNING OF INCREASING DESPERATION AMONG THE FARMERS AND RANCHERS.>>WE HAVE TONNES OF ACRES THAT ARE UNDERWATER AND CROPS ARE DROWNING. WE’RE SEEING UPWARDS OF 80% MORTALITY IN SOME OF THESE FIELDS FROM WHAT WE HAVE VIEWED.>>Reporter: IT’S THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW THEY HAVE DECLARED A STATE OF AGRICULTURAL DISASTER. LAST YEAR AN EARLY SNOWFALL RUINED THE HARVEST. MANY FARMERS FINISHED THAT YEAR WITH LOWER YIELDS OF ANIMAL FEED AND WERE COUNTING ON STOCKING UP THIS SEASON. THAT’S NOT HAPPENING.>>WE ARE HOPING THAT THAT WILL OPEN UP SOME FUNDING AND SOME ASSISTANCE.>>Reporter: PROVINCIAL OFFICIALS ARE CERTAINLY AWARE THAT IT’S NOT AN IDEAL CROP SEASON. A REPORT AT THE END OF LAST MONTH SHOWED THAT THE REGION AROUND LAC STE.-ANNE WAS 11% BEHIND ITS FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE FOR CROP YIELDS. AFTER THE RAINFALL COMES THE FLIGHT. THIS SOIL AND CROP EXPERT CAPTURES AERIAL PICTURES, HELPING THE LANDOWNERS TO MAP OUT THEIR PROPERTIES TO SEE HOW MUCH IS USABLE.>>THE GREY AREAS ARE BASICALLY 100% LOST.>>Reporter: HE SAYS THAT THIS YEAR IS BAD BUT HE SAYS THAT FARMERS ARE USED TO DEALING WITH UNPREDICTABLE WEATHER.>>IT’S PART AND PARCEL OF FARMING. YOU’LL NEVER HAVE A FARMER SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE’S ABSOLUTELY PERFECT CONDITIONS OR IT’S ALWAYS A LITTLE TOO DRY OR IT’S A LITTLE TOO WET.>>Reporter: DENNIS POTTER IS WATCHING THE SKIES TOO.>>YOU JUST SIT BACK AND PRAY FOR GO WEATHER. — FOR GOOD WEATHER.>>Reporter: HOPING THAT THE PROVINCE WILL COME THROUGH WITH HELP IF NATURE DOES NOT. RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN, CBC NEWS, LAC STE.-ANNE COUNTY, ALBERTA.>>Ian: DAVID MacNAUGHTON IS ARGUABLY CANADA’S MOST INFLUENTIAL DIPLOMAT ON THE WORLD’S STAGE AS THIS COUNTRY’S AMBASSADOR TO WASHINGTON. TODAY HE ANNOUNCED THAT HE’S STEPPING DOWN. IT’S NO SECRET ON PARLIAMENT HILL THAT MacNAUGHTON IS A KEY ADVISOR TO PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU. KATIE SIMPSON HAS MORE ON WHAT TODAY’S ANNOUNCEMENT MEANS JUST 10 WEEKS BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION.>>Reporter: AFTER THREE YEARS IN CANADA’S MOST IMPORTANT DIPLOMATIC ROLE, DAVID MacNAUGHTON IS STEPPING INTO PRIVATE LIFE.>>I’VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING IN MY LIFE THAT HAS BEEN AS DIFFICULT AS THIS. AND PART OF THAT IS JUST REALIZING, UM… WHAT THE STAKES ARE.>>Reporter: MacNAUGHTON’S TENURE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY TURBULENT, HAVING TO NAVIGATE CANADA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH AN INCREASINGLY ERRATIC ALLY. HE AND THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER LED CANADA’S NAFTA RENEGOTIATING TEAM AND CONVINCING CANADIAN POLITICIANS OF ALL STRIPES TO SPEAK WITH A UNITED VOICE IN THE HOPES OF SAVING THE DEAL.>>HE’S BEEN THE ARCHITECT, REALLY THE QUARTERBACK FOR THE WHOLE TEAM CANADA APPROACH THAT THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT TOOK. HE’S A GUY WHO IS PLAYING THREE-LEVEL CHESS MOST OF THE TIME. AND SO HIS DEPARTURE IS REALLY A LOSS.>>Reporter: AS AMBASSADOR HE WORKED WITH ALL PARTIES, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, MacNAUGHTON HAS DEEP LIBERAL ROOTS.>>YOU’VE GOT TO GIVE CANADIANS A REASON THAT THE LIBERAL PARTY WANTS TO WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.>>Reporter: AS A LONG-TIME LIBERAL ADVISOR, HE’S ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU TRUSTS. DURING THE SNC-LAVALIN AFFAIR HE FLEW TO OTTAWA TO OFFER ADVICE AND TO STEADY THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE. HE’S ALSO CLOSE WITH CHIEF OF STAFF KATIE TELFORD AND THE FORMER PRINCIPAL SECRETARY GERALD BUTTS. THE THREE WORKED TOGETHER IN ONTARIO FOR LIBERAL PREMIER DALTON MCGUINTY BEFORE TEAMING UP ON TRUDEAU’S ELECTION BID IN 2015.>>I LEAVE HERE WITH SOME PRIDE IN WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED. CLEARLY THERE ARE STILL CHALLENGES IN FRONT OF US.>>Reporter: MacNAUGHTON’S DEPARTURE IS NOT A SURPRISE SINCE HE OPENLY SPOKE ABOUT MISSING HIS FAMILY IN TORONTO. BUT IT COMES BEFORE THE NEW NAFTA HAS BEEN RATIFIED. THAT’S NOW KIRSTEN HILLMAN’S PROBLEM. THE DEPUTY AMBASSADOR WILL TAKE ON MacNAUGHTON’S ROLE UNTIL A NEW APPOINTMENT IS MADE.>>SHE’S DEFINITELY NOT THE B-TEAM. THERE’S NOBODY BETTER THAN HER TO TAKE THIS NEGOTIATION TO THE NEXT STEP.>>Reporter: MacNAUGHTON INSISTS HE’S NOT FORMALLY JOINING TRUDEAU’S RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN TEAM. INSISTS HE’S NOT FORMALLY JOINING TRUDEAU’S RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN TEAM. BUT NOW THAT HE’S COMING HOME FROM WASHINGTON, THERE’S NOTHING HOLDING HIM BACK FROM GETTING AS INVOLVED AS HE LIKES. KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Ian: AND AS WE GEAR UP TO THE OCTOBER 21st ELECTION DAY, WE WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT A NEW PODCAST FROM CBC NEWS AND CBC PODCASTS. OUR CO-HOST ROSEMARY BARTON AND BUZZFEED NEWS ARE TEAMING UP TO EXPLORE THE STORIES AND THE ISSUES AFFECTING VOTERS FROM TWO UNIQUE PROSPECTIVES. A SMART WEEKLY CONVERSATION ON CANADIAN POLITICS WHILE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF FUN. NOT HARD TO IMAGINE. “PARTY LINES” LAUNCHES THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.>>>HERE’S SOME OF THE OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>AN ONTARIO FARMER WILL NOT GO TO JAIL FOR DEATH OF HIS SON. THE 4-YEAR-OLD FELL FROM THE FRONT BUCKET OF FARM EQUIPMENT AND DIED OF INJURIES. THE FATHER WAS FOUND GUILTY OF CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE BUT NOT SENTENCED TO JAIL. ,.>>I MEAN, HE’S SERVING A LIFE SENTENCE OF GRIEF AND REMORSE THAT WILL NEVER LEAVE HIM, NEVER LEAVE HIS FAMILY. I CAN’T IMAGINE WHAT HE MUST BE GOING THROUGH EMOTIONALLY.>>Ian: IT’S BELIEVED TO BE THE ONLY CASE IN CANADA WHERE A CHILD’S ACCIDENTAL DEATH ON A FARM LED TO A CRIMINAL CHARGE.>>EACH DAY HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OF CANNABIS WERE SUPPLIED TO THE ILLICIT MARKET.>>Ian: THERE’S A CRACKDOWN ON AN ORGANIZED CRIME RING USING HEALTH CANADA LICENCES TO GROW CANNABIS AND SELL IT ILLEGALLY, EVEN TO THE UNITED STATES. THEY WERE ALSO MANUFACTURING LARGE AMOUNTS OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS. THE SECOND BUST INVOLVED THE BIGGEST EVER SEIZURE OF FENTANYL FOR YORK REGIONAL POLICE, MORE THAN SIX KILOS. THAT’S IN ADDITION TO COCAINE AND METHAMPHETAMINE AND GUNS. IT AMOUNTS TO $45 MILLION OF ILLEGAL DRUGS.>>THE CRIMINALS…>>Ian: AND CANADA IS THE LATEST COUNTRY TO HAVE A TRAVEL ADVISORY OVER THE ONGOING PROTESTS IN HONG KONG. PROTESTS THAT HAVE AT TIMES TURNED VIOLENT AND BROUGHT THE CITY TO A STANDSTILL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING TO THE STREETS FOR NEARLY TWO MONTHS, ANGRY OVER A CONTROVERSIAL EXTRADITION BILL. CANADIAN TRAVELLERS ARE NOW BEING TOLD TO EXERCISE A HIGH DEGREE OF CAUTION. ABOUT 300,000 CANADIANS CURRENTLY LIVE IN HONG KONG.>>Andrew: WE HAVE A CBC EXCLUSIVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. MILITARY LEADERS FROM CANADA AND THE U.S. HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO RETOOL NORAD, THAT’S THE NORTH AMERICAN AIR DEFENCE PROGRAMME THAT WE HAVE BEEN PART OF SINCE THE COLD WAR. THE PROPOSAL STILL NEEDS APPROVAL FROM OTTAWA AND WASHINGTON, BUT MURRAY BREWSTER HAS SOME OF THE DETAILS.>>[speaking foreign language]>>Reporter: IT’S BECOMING AN INCREASINGLY UNCERTAIN WORLD. NORTH KOREA JUST THIS WEEK TESTING NEW INTERMEDIATE RANGE MISSILES. AND THEN THERE ARE THE OLD-FASHIONED CONCERNS. JUST TODAY TWO CANADIAN CF-18s AND TWO AMERICAN F-22s INTERCEPTED TWO RUSSIAN BOMBERS OFF ALASKA. AND KEEPING TABS ON ALL OF THIS — NORAD. A SIX DECADE OLD ALLIANCE BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S. THAT IS SHOWING ITS AGE.>>NORAD OF THE FUTURE HAS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT A WIDER SPECTRUM OF THREATS.>>Reporter: MODERNIZING NORAD WAS TOP OF THE AGENDA IN THE FIRST MEETING BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE U.S. PRESIDENT BACK IN 2017. NOW A STEP FORWARD. DEFENCE SOURCES IN OTTAWA TELL CBC NEWS THAT CANADIAN AND U.S. MILITARY LEADERS HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THE NEW NORAD SHOULD LOOK LIKE, PROPOSALS THAT ARE NOW WORKING THEIR WAY UP TO BOTH GOVERNMENTS.>>WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENT. AND THAT’S BEING WORKED NOW BY THE NATIONAL GROUP, A GROUP OF CANADIANS AND AMERICANS.>>Reporter: THOSE REQUIREMENTS COULD MEAN NEW SATELLITES, RADAR STATIONS, DRONES, CYBER AND MISSILE DEFENCES. ALL OF THAT IS EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE, $11 BILLION BY SOME ESTIMATES. 40% OF THAT BILL BELONGS TO CANADA. MOST OF THAT WAS NOT COSTED IN THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT’S DEFENCE PLAN. AND THEN THERE’S THE POLITICAL DIMENSION. AFTER THE ORDEAL OF RENEGOTIATING NAFTA, SOME QUESTION WHETHER CANADA WANTS TO NEGOTIATE THE FINER POINTS OF NORAD WITH DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE.>>President Donald Trump: IT’S AN UNFAIR BURDEN ON THE UNITED STATES…>>Reporter: THERE ARE SOME EXPERTS, HOWEVER, THAT SAY THAT IT’S NOT IN DONALD TRUMP’S POLITICAL INTEREST TO START FLIPPING OVER TABLES ON THIS SUBJECT. AND THE BIGGER POLITICAL CONSIDERATION MAY BE IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY. WHICH WAS IGNORED IN THE PAST WHEN NORAD BUILT BASES AND RADAR STATIONS.>>WE GO BACK TO THE 1950s AND THERE WAS REALLY NO CONSULTATION AND THE MILITARY SIDE AND THE GOVERNMENTS AGREED AND THEN IT WENT ON.>>Reporter: AT THE TOP OF THE INDIGENOUS CONCERNS WILL LIKELY BE THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE MILITARY’S FOOTPRINT IN THE NORTH. THE LAST TIME THAT NORAD DECOMMISSIONED RADAR SITES IT TOOK 21 YEARS TO CLEAN UP AND IT COST OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. MURRAY BREWSTER, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Ian: STILL AHEAD… A U.N. REPORT ON CLIMATE CHANGE WARNS THAT THE WORLD HAS TO CHANGE ITS EATING HABITS. WE HAVE SOME STRATEGIES TO CONSIDER.>>Andrew: ALSO, THE PEOPLE OF NAIN, LABRADOR, ARE USED TO LIVING IN ISOLATION BUT THIS PAST WEEK HAS DEFINITELY PUT THEM TO THE TEST.>>Ian: AND AT LONG LAST, SOME GOOD NEWS ABOUT CREDIT CARD DEBT.>>IT’S PROBABLY UP THERE WITH WINNING THE LOTTERY OR DISCOVERING THE INHERITANCE FROM A RICH BILLIONAIRE UNCLE THAT YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT YOU HAD.>>Ian: WHY A U.S. BANK IS LETTING ITS CANADIAN CUSTOMERS OFF THE HOOK. (*) (*)>>Ian: SEEING CREDIT CARD BILLS CAN BE A SOURCE OF STRESS, BUT NOT FOR A LUCKY FEW CANADIANS. THEIR OUTSTANDING BALANCES HAVE VANISHED, WIPED OUT BY THEIR AMERICAN CREDIT CARD CARRIER. BUT AS KAS ROUSSY TELLS US, THE MOVE HAS THRILLED THEIR CUSTOMERS.>>GOOD JOB.>>Reporter: THESE DAYS THE MORNING GAME OF FETCH WITH CHEWY HAS BEEN EXTRA FUN FOR CHEWY’S OWNER. UP TO A FEW DAYS AGO, PAUL ADAMSON WAS CARRYING A DEBT OF MORE THAN $1,600 ON ONE OF HIS CREDIT CARDS. THEN LAST WEEK WHILE TRYING TO MAKE A PAYMENT ON HIS CARD HE WAS TOLD THAT THE DEBT WAS GONE — HE NO LONGER OWES ANYTHING. A CONFIRMATION LETTER CONVINCED HIM THAT THIS WASN’T SOME SCAM.>>IT JUST SAID CHASE IS NOW LEAVING CANADA AND IT’S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO FORGIVE THIS DEBT. THANK YOU AND GOODBYE. AND THAT WAS IT.>>Reporter: CHASE BANK IS A U.S.-BASED FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT HAS TAKEN THE UNORTHODOX STEP OF FORGIVING ALL OUTSTANDING DEBT BY USERS OF ITS TWO CANADIAN CREDIT CARDS — AMAZON AND MARRIOTT REWARDS. ADAMSON IS AMONG A GROUP OF LUCKY CANADIANS WHO HAD THEIR DEBT WIPED CLEAN.>>AND THEN THERE IT IS. BALANCE FORGIVENESS RIGHT THERE.>>Reporter: IN A STATEMENT TO THE CBC, A BANK SPOKESPERSON SAYS THAT, “CHASE MADE THE DECISION TO EXIT THE CANADIAN CREDIT CARD MARKET. A FURTHER BUSINESS DECISION HAS BEEN MADE TO FORGIVE ALL OUTSTANDING BALANCES IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE EXIT.”>>AS A DEBT RELIEF FOR ANY KIND OF PERSONAL FINANCE STRATEGY IS PROBABLY UP THERE WITH WINNING THE LOTTERY OR DISCOVERING AN INHERITANCE FROM A RICH BILLIONAIRE UNCLE THAT YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT YOU HAD.>>Reporter: LUKE SHEEHAN WORKS FOR A COMPANY THAT OFFERS RATES FOR MORTGAGES AND CREDIT CARDS. HE SAYS WHAT CHASE HAS DONE IS EXTREMELY RARE.>>WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THE BANKS, AS BANKS ARE VERY GOOD AT DOING, TO CHASE VERY HARD TO GET EVERY LAST DOLLAR THEY POSSIBLY COULD. SO THE VERY ABRUPT EXIT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT IS HELPING A GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE.>>Reporter: INDEED, CHASE BANK COULD HAVE SOLD ITS OUTSTANDING DEBT TO A THIRD-PARTY DEBT COLLECTOR. INSTEAD THIS DEBT FORGIVENESS PLAN HAS TURNED INTO A P.R. SENSATION FOR THE COMPANY.>>COME HERE, BUD. COME.>>Reporter: ADAMSON KNOWS THAT HE’S CAUGHT A LUCKY BREAK. HE WAS SAVING FOR A HOUSE AND THAT’S JUST BECOME A LITTLE EASIER. KAS ROUSSY, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: WHAT A STORY.>>>STILL AHEAD ON TONIGHT’S “NATIONAL,” THE BIRTH OF AN ICONIC PHOTOGRAPH. 50 YEARS AGO TODAY THE BEATLES WENT FOR A LITTLE WALK.>>Ian: AND SOME PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS TO CUTTING YOUR CARBON FOOT PRINT RIGHT DOWN TO THAT SANDWICH.>>THE SANDWICH THAT YOU SHOULD AVOID IS HAM AND CHEESE AND ALSO BREAKFAST SANDWICH WHICH CONTAINS BACON, SAUSAGE AND AN EGG. (*)>>THE WAY THAT WE PRODUCE FOOD AND WHAT WE EAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE LOSS OF NATURE ECOSYSTEMS AND DECLINING BIODIVERSITY.>>Andrew: RETURNING NOW TO THAT DIRE WARNING ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR PLANET AND WHERE IT’S HEADED. THIS ONE IS FROM THE UNITED NATIONS WHICH FOUND THAT IN ORDER TO PREVENT CATASTROPHIC CLIMATE CHANGE, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE USE LAND, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO FARMING AND WHAT WE EAT. THE STAKES — MORE HEAT WAVES, DROUGHTS, HEAVY RAIN, LAND DEGREDATION AND DESERTIFICATION WHICH IN TURN PUTS EVEN MORE PRESSURE ON THE LAND THAT WE USE. IT’S A VICIOUS CYCLE. SO A BIG PART OF THE QUESTION OF RETHINKING LAND USE IS RETHINKING THE VERY FOOD THAT WE EAT. AND YOU CAN BET THAT DIANE SAXE HAS SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. DIANE, YOU’RE A FORMER ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONER HERE IN ONTARIO AND ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF A GREEN CONSULTANCY FIRM, SAXE FACTS.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>Andrew: HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND THIS RETHINK AROUND FOOD. I MEAN, DISTILL THAT INTO TERMS THAT WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND.>>WHAT THE REPORT SHOWS FIRST OF ALL IS THAT THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS ALREADY HURTING THE NUTRITIONAL QUALITY AND THE SECURITY OF FOOD WITH MUCH WORSE AHEAD. BUT THAT WE CAN DO REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT IT. WE CAN REDUCE CLIMATE POLLUTION AND OUR ABILITIES TO SURVIVE IT WITH THREE BIG THINGS ABOUT FOOD. THE CHOICE OF WHAT WE EAT, HOW WE GROW IT, AND HOW MUCH OF THAT WE THROW AWAY. AND THERE’S NO GOOD REASON TO THROW IT AWAY.>>Andrew: RIGHT. THE FOOD THAT IS BEING THROWN AWAY IS A BIG PIECE OF THE PIE?>>IT IS. AND WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES — A LOT OF WHAT WE GROW ENDS UP BEING WASTED AND THAT HAS A VERY BIG FOOTPRINT AND SO WE COULD USE BETTER WHAT WE GROW AND NOT THROW IT AWAY.>>Andrew: RIGHT.>>AND THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP PEOPLE TO BE BETTER FED AND TO HAVE A LOWER FOOTPRINT. FOOD SHOULD BE EATEN BY PEOPLE, IF IT CAN’T BE EATEN BY PEOPLE IT SHOULD BE EATEN BY ANIMALS. AND IF IT CAN’T BE EATEN BY ANIMALS WE SHOULD USE IT TO GET THE RESOURCES BACK. AND WE HAVE ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO THAT.>>Andrew: SO YOU ALWAYS MENTIONED THE KINDS OF FOODS THAT WE DECIDE TO EAT, RIGHT? AND MUCH WAS MADE IN THE REPORT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MEAT-BASED DIET AND A PLANT-BASED DIET.>>YES.>>Andrew: SO, I MEAN, EXPLAIN THAT FOR ME, I MEAN, WHY THERE’S SUCH A DIFFERENCE THERE.>>WELL, MEAT — ESPECIALLY BEEF — HAS AN ENORMOUS FOOTPRINT. A HUGE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES GO INTO GROWING FOOD WHICH IS THEN FED TO CATTLE WHICH DON’T CONVERT IT TO MEAT VERY EFFICIENTLY. IT ALSO CREATES A LOT OF WATER POLLUTION AND MANY OTHER PROBLEMS. SO FOR MANY PEOPLE THE QUICKEST CHANGE THEY CAN MAKE IN THEIR DIET THAT WOULD DRAMATICALLY REDUCE ITS CARBON AND ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT IS TO EAT LESS BEEF. AND IT ALSO MATTERS HOW THE COWS WERE GROWN.>>Andrew: WHY DIDN’T THE IPCC JUST COME OUT AND SAY LET’S ALL CUT MEAT OUT OF OUR DIET?>>WELL, PART OF IT IS JUST THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY WRITE THESE REPORTS IN. THESE REPORTS HAVE TO BE AGREED TO BY THE GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD. AND THEY NEVER WRITE THEM IN SIMPLE STRAIGHTFORWARD LANGUAGE. THEY WRITE THEM IN VERY FORMAL AND VERY DETAILED WAYS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS PRETTY CLEAR — IF YOU’RE GOING TO EAT ANIMAL-BASED PRODUCTS, THEY NEED TO BE RAISED VERY DIFFERENTLY FROM THE WAY THAT WE DO IT NOW.>>Andrew: AND IN TERMS OF INDIVIDUAL IMPACT, I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING — THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF YOUR OFFICE EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO IT WAS A PIE CHART SHOWING THE AVERAGE ONTARIAN’S CARBON FOOTPRINT AND BROKEN DOWN INTO THE VARIOUS WAYS IN WHICH WE POLLUTE. AND THE FIRST THING THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME, I MEAN, SINCE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BEEF — DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A SMALL PART OF THE PIE TO YOU?>>SO WHAT WE TRIED — WHAT WE’RE SHOWING ON THIS PIE CHART IS THE TOP FOUR THINGS BETWEEN THE MAKEUP, HALF OF THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN ONTARIO. NUMBER ONE IS DRIVING. WE DRIVE — THE MOST INEFFICIENT VEHICLES IN THE WORLD. NUMBER TWO IS HOW WE’RE HEATING OUR HOMES. WE HAVE VERY LEAKY HOMES. AND NUMBER THREE IS FLYING. AND NUMBER FOUR IS BEEF. AND FOR MANY PEOPLE BEEF IS ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS TO CHANGE. BUT IT’S SIGNIFICANT. IT’S NOT AS BIG AS DRIVING BUT IS IT STILL HAS A BIG FOOTPRINT.>>Andrew: SHOULD PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE INDIVIDUAL AGENCY? AND THAT THEY HAVE AN IMPACT? BECAUSE IT’S HARD TO MEASURE PROGRESS TOO, RIGHT? IF I DECIDE TO CARPOOL ONCE A WEEK, I MEAN, IT’S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT’S HAVING IN ANY TERMS THAT I’D REALLY UNDERSTAND.>>EVERY ACTION MATTERS. EVERY TONNE MATTERS. BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT OVER ACTION MATTERS. AND IT MATTERS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. IT MATTERS DIRECTLY IN WHAT YOU DO. AND IT MATTERS IN TERMS OF WHO YOU INFLUENCE — YOUR KIDS SEE, YOUR FRIENDS SEE, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU’RE CARPOOLING WITH SEE. AND IT MATTERS IN TERMS OF THE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS. IT MATTERS WITH INFLUENCING YOUR POLITICIAN IF YOU’RE ALREADY ACTING ON IT. AND YOU HAVE INFLUENCE ON THE KIND OF SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED. WHEN LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE CARPOOLING, WELL YOU NEED A CARPOOLING PARKING LOT AND YOU TALK ABOUT CARPOOLING. SO WE HAVE CHANGED THE SOCIETY. AND WE’RE SOCIAL ANIMALS AND PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE LIKE OR ARE DOING. IF YOU’RE A LEADER OTHER PEOPLE WILL NOTICE.>>Andrew: DIANNE SAXE, FASCINATING CONVERSATION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU.>>Andrew: THERE’S PLENTY OF STUDIES ON HOW PEOPLE CAN SHRINK THEIR OWN CARBON FOOTPRINT. SO TONIGHT WE THOUGHT THAT WE’D REVISIT A STORY ON HOW TO MAKE GREENER CHOICES. HERE’S DAVID COMMON. (*)>>Reporter: I BET THAT YOU QUESTION HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE THESE THINGS REALLY MAKE WHEN IT COMES TO REDUCING YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT. BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO NOW TO ACTUALLY HELP? HERE’S AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF TO SINK YOUR TEETH INTO. HUNGRY? WELL, WHATEVER YOU EAT HAS A CARBON FOOTPRINT. AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD THAT BEEF HAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST. AND MOST OF US DON’T HAVE ONE INGREDIENT MEALS. TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, A LUNCHTIME STAPLE — THE SANDWICH. OF COURSE, A U.K. STUDY ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF SANDWICHES AND ONE OF THE AUTHORS IS JOINING US. WHAT ARE THE SANDWICHES THAT WE SHOULD AVOID?>>SO THE SANDWICH THAT YOU SHOULD AVOID IS HAM AND CHEESE AND ALSO BREAKFAST SANDWICH WHICH CONTAINS BACON AND SAUSAGE AND AN EGG.>>Reporter: OKAY, SO WHAT IF I SUDDENLY WENT VEGAN AND I TOOK THE HAM OUT AND THE CHEESE OUT AND I’M JUST LEFT WITH THE TOMATO AND THE LETTUCE. IS THAT OKAY?>>APART FROM THE TASTE, THAT SHOULD BE OKAY. BUT IT DEPENDS HOW TOMATO IS GROWN. SO IN THE U.K., FOR EXAMPLE, MOST OF THE TOMATO IS GROWN IN GREENHOUSES. AND THAT REQUIRES ENERGY. WHICH MEANS THAT THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF TOMATO IS REALLY HIGH. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE — ONE KILOGRAM OF TOMATOES WOULD HAVE 10 KILOGRAMS OF CO2 EQUIVALENT EMITTED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. SO THAT IS 10 TIMES MORE THAN ITS OWN WEIGHT. BUT IF WE IMPORTED TOMATO FROM SPAIN, WHERE IT’S GROWN IN OPEN FIELDS, THEN THE CARBON FOOTPRINT IS LOWER. EVEN WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION.>>Reporter: SO WHAT CAN CANADIANS TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR STUDY?>>WE HAVE A CHOICE IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF FOOD THAT WE EAT. SO GENERALLY LESS MEAT, AND IF YOU MAKE SANDWICH AT HOME YOU WILL NORMALLY HALF THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF YOUR SANDWICH.>>Reporter: IF YOU DO BUY, PACKAGING IS A CONSIDERATION AND YOU WOULD NEVER GUESS WHICH THE BEST IS FOR CARBON FOOTPRINT. IT’S STYROFOAM OF ALL THINGS. IT’S LIGHTWEIGHT AND EASY TO PRODUCE AND EASY TO TRANSPORT. A UNIVERSITY OF MANCHESTER STUDY SAYS IT HAS 1.5 TIMES LESS CARBON FOOTPRINT THAN ALUMINUM AND THREE TIMES LESS THAN CLEAR PLASTIC. IF YOU MOVE INTO SOMETHING LIKE PAPER, WELL, THAT’S OKAY SO LONG AS YOU ACTUALLY COMPOST IT. NOW THESE ARE NUMBERS SPECIFIC TO THE UNITED KINGDOM BUT REUSABLE IS ALWAYS GOOD SO LONG AS YOU REUSE IT, DON’T LOSE YOUR CONTAINER. YOU KNOW, YOU’VE GOT TO USE SOMETHING LIKE THIS 18 TIMES TO EQUAL THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF THAT STYROFOAM. IF YOU MOVE ON TO GLASS, HEY, THAT’S GREAT. BUT YOU’VE GOT TO REUSE IT EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF HOW CARBON INTENSIVE IT IS TO PRODUCE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. (*) THERE’S ONE REALLY BIG WAY TO REDUCE OUR OWN CARBON FOOTPRINT AND MAYBE MAKE A BIT OF MONEY AT THE SAME TIME. TALKING ABOUT YOUR INVESTMENT. SO ONE STUDY FROM COPOWER SHOWS THAT THE AVERAGE CANADIAN PORTFOLIO IS CONNECTED TO MORE CARBON EMISSIONS THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO IN OUR DAILY LIVES, EVEN DRIVING. SO A $10,000 INVESTMENT, FOR INSTANCE, HERE AT THE TORONTO STOCK EXCHANGE COULD BE CONNECTED TO 800-KILOGRAMS OF CO2 EACH YEAR. THAT’S THE EQUIVALENT OF DRIVING 3,000 KILOMETRES IN A CAR AND TUMBLE DRYING 332 LOADS OF LAUNDRY, OR EATING 264 QUARTER POUNDER HAMBURGERS. WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, LET’S HIT THE REWIND BUTTON. HOW IS IT THAT INVESTING HAS A CARBON FOOTPRINT? THE MAN WITH THE ANSWERS TODAY IS TIM NASH AND YOU’RE AN INVESTMENT COACH AND ALSO THE FOUNDER OF GOOD INVESTING. SO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. HOW IS IT THAT THE MONEY THAT I INVEST HAS A CARBON FOOTPRINT?>>RIGHT. WELL, YOU INVEST THAT MONEY IN COMPANIES. AND THOSE COMPANIES EMIT CARBON EMISSIONS. SO JUST LIKE YOU SHARE IN THEIR PROFITS YOU ALSO SHARE IN THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT.>>Reporter: YEAH, I GET HOW YOU SAY THAT YOU’RE PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE — THEY’RE EMITTING AND YOU HAVE A SHARE IN THAT. AND AS CANADIANS WE INVEST TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SMALL GUY, THE NORMAL GUY?>>WHEN IT COMES TO REGULAR INVESTORS LIKE YOU AND I, RIGHT, THE FIRST STEP THAT YOU’RE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE IS TO SPEAK TO YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, WHOEVER YOU’RE WORKING WITH, AND ASK SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. SEE WHETHER THEY HAVE SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE INVESTMENTS AVAILABLE.>>Reporter: AM I GIVING UP RETURNS BY GOING WITH ONE OF THOSE?>>NOT AT ALL. ALL OF THE STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT YOU CAN DO JUST AS WELL, IF NOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BY INVESTING IN COMPANIES THAT ARE REDUCING THEIR CARBON EMISSIONS AND BY GETTING FOSSIL FUELS OUT OF YOUR PORTFOLIO. WHAT WE CALL DIVESTIMENTS. WE HAVE STARTED TO SEE THE SMART MONEY MOVE IN IT THIS DIRECTION. AND THE ONTARIO TEACHERS’ PENSION PLAN, THEY’RE ALL MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. WHAT I’M WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT IF YOU OWN THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE THOSE HIGH CARBON EMISSIONS, THAT THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE AS PROFITABLE IN THE FUTURE. AND REGULAR INVESTORS MIGHT END UP SUFFERING AS THE BROADER ECONOMY MOVES IN THIS DIRECTION.>>Reporter: LOOK WHERE THE PUCK IS GOING, NOT WHERE IT IS.>>THAT’S IT.>>Reporter: SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO REDUCE YOUR OWN CARBON FOOTPRINT. THEY’RE NOT NECESSARILY THE BIGGEST ONES OUT THERE, BUT EVEN THE SMALL ONES TAKEN COLLECTIVELY BY ALL OF US CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. DAVID COMMON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Ian: HE’S ALWAYS SO ENTHUSIASTIC.>>>JUST AHEAD, ANOTHER TAKE ON RECYCLING. THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF SCRAPPING AN OLD MILITARY SHIP. AND FOR THE CANADIAN WHOSE JOB THE, IT’S LIKE SAYING GOODBYE TO A FRIEND.>>AS I WALK AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW IT’S HEAVY HEART HERE, BECAUSE I SPENT MANY HOURS AT SEA. MANY HOURS, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THIS THING. (*)>>I’M JAYME POISSON AND TOMORROW ON CBC’S DAILY NEWS PODCAST “FRONTBURNER” WE TALK TENSIONS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CHINA AND WHY SOME EXPERTS ARE CALLING THIS THE BIGGEST TRADE WAR OF ALL TIME. SUBSCRIBE WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS. (*)>>Ian: WE HAVE A CAUTIONARY TALE AFTER A MOTHER IN NOVA SCOTIA WATCHED HELPLESSLY AS HER DAUGHTER AND ANOTHER YOUNG GIRL DRIFTED OUT TO SEA ON A FLOAT TOY. THE 5-YEAR-OLD WAS PLAYING WITH A FRIEND ON A FLOATING RING AND MATTRESS YESTERDAY NEAR A SANDBAR. THE TIDE WAS OUT. BUT THEY STARTED DRIFTING FROM THE SHORT IN MALAGASH, IN THE NORTHUMBERLAND STRAIT. THE MOM TRIED TO SWIM TO THEM BUT SHE EVENTUALLY WELL TO TURN BACK.>>THEY WERE JUST FLOATING FASTER AND FASTER AND FASTER THAN I COULD SWIM AND KEEP UP WITH THEM.>>Ian: THE GIRLS HELD HANDS TO STAY TOGETHER AND AFTER DRIFTING FOR NEARLY AN HOUR THEY WERE PICKED UP BY RESCUERS.>>>HUNDREDS OF PERSPECTIVES IN BRITISH COLUMBIA ARE UNDER EVACUATION ALERT TONIGHT AS A WILDFIRE CONTINUES TO GROW. THIS FIRE IS BURNING IN THE SOUTHERN OKANAGAN VALLEY IN B.C.’S INTERIOR. IT’S NOW 15 SQUARE KILOMETRES IN SIZE AND THAT IS NEARLY DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY. ADDITIONAL CREWS AND EQUIPMENT ARE BEING BROUGHT IN TO HELP WITH THE FIREFIGHTING EFFORT. RESIDENTS IN MORE THAN 250 PROPERTIES ARE BEING TOLD TO BE READY TO LEAVE AT A MOMENT’S NOTICE.>>>ONE OF CANADA’S LARGEST RETAILERS IS NO LONGER FACING A LAWSUIT OVER THAT DEADLY FACTORY COLLAPSE IN BANGLADESH SIX YEARS AGO. THE SUPREME COURT OF CANADA HAS REFUSED TO HEAR THE APPEAL FROM A GROUP OF VICTIMS AND RELATIVES WHO WANTED TO SUE LOBLAW OVER THE TRAGEDY. TWO OF THE COMPANIES WERE UNDER CREDIT TO THE RETAILER. MORE THAN 1,100 PEOPLE DIED WHEN THE RANA PLAZA FELL IN 2013. ANOTHER 2,500 WERE INJURED.>>>BIANCA ANDREESCU HAS DONE IT, JUST THE FIFTH CANADIAN LADY TO ADVANCE TO THE QUARTERFINALS OF THE WIMBLEDON CUP.>>Ian: WE’RE GETTING USED TO HER WINNING. CANADIAN TENNIS SENSATION BIANCA ANDREESCU PULLED OFF AN UPSET VICTORY AT THE ROGERS CUP TODAY, EDGING OUT THE WORLD NUMBER FIVE KIKI BERTENS OF THE NETHERLANDS IN A DRAMATIC MATCH INTERRUPTED BY RAIN IN TORONTO TODAY. THE 19-YEAR-OLD WILL NOW SHIFT HER FOCUS TO TOMORROW’S QUARTERFINALS.>>Andrew: A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RECYCLING FOCUS ON THE SMALL THINGS LIKE THE EVERYDAY ITEMS THAT WE USE AT HOME. SO, YOU KNOW, CANS, BOTTLES, PAPER, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THERE’S A VERY PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TAPPED WITH THINKING MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT — RECYCLING THE BIGGEST VEHICLES THAT HUMANKIND HAS EVER CREATED. TONIGHT WE REVISIT A STORY ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SHIPS COME TO THE END OF THEIR LIVES. BRETT RUSKIN HAS THAT STORY.>>Reporter: IF NAVY SHIPS HAD NIGHTMARES THEY MIGHT LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THE MAN THEY FEAR MOST… MIKE STEGE.>>I’M THE GRIM REAPER OF THE NAVY RIGHT NOW GETTING RID OF THESE VEHICLES.>>Reporter: AS THE GUY IN CHARGE OF NAVY SHIP DISMANTLING IN CANADA, HE PRETTY MUCH KILLS SHIPS FOR A LIVING.>>WATCH YOUR HEAD.>>Reporter: HIS LATEST VICTIM, THE ATHABASKAN, CUT UP AND STEEL TO BE MELTED DOWN AND SOLD IT. LOOKS HARSH BUT ONCE IT WAS WORSE. HERE’S HOW THE NAVY USED TO GET RID OF ITS OLD SHIPS. THE ANAPOLIS AND SAGUENAY WERE TURNED INTO ARTIFICIAL REEFS, AND THE HURON WAS USED FOR TARGET PRACTISE.>>WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT IT AND SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD TAKE TO SINK ONE OF THESE THINGS.>>Reporter: DRAMATIC, YES, BUT ALSO PROBLEMATIC. THOSE SHIPS USED TO BE FULL OF THE CANCER-CAUSING CHEMICALS P.C.B.s AND THEY WERE USED FOR CABLE COATINGS AND ADHESIVES AND WATERPROOFING ALL BEFORE THEIR RISK WAS FULLY UNDERSTOOD. SO BEFORE SINKING OR SHOOTING THE SHIPS, THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO STRIP OUT THE P.C.B.s.>>IF WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE P.C.B.s AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ON BOARD WE DO NOT TRANS-BORDER THEM. WE KEEP THEM IN CANADA.>>Reporter: MAKING THE SHIPS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE WAS EXPENSIVE. NOW THEY OUTSOURCE THE DISPOSAL WORK TO COMPANIES LIKE THIS ONE IN SYDNEY, CAPE BRETON. IT SAFELY STRIPS OUT THE P.C.B.s AND KEEPS THE SCRAP METAL FOR ITS PROFIT. WHEN THE DISMANTLING OF THIS SHIP IS COMPLETE, THE HULL WILL BE CUT INTO 15-METRE SECTIONS AND THE IMPORTANT MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY WILL BE CUT INTO PIECES AS SMALL AS 15 cm. WHEN THEY’RE DONE, THE INSIDE WILL LOOK LIKE THIS, AND THE OUTSIDE LIKE THIS. FOR NOW THE SHIP STILL LOOKS LIKE A SHIP.>>YOU’LL SEE YOUR RAIL SYSTEM WHERE THE TORPEDOES USED TO GO IN HERE.>>Reporter: IT TURNS OUT THAT THE SHIP SHREDDER HAS A SOFT SPOT BECAUSE HE SPENT TIME IN THE NAVY HIMSELF, WORKING TO MAINTAIN THE SHIPS, INCLUDING THIS SHIP THE ATHABASKAN.>>AS I WALK AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW IT’S HEAVY HEART HERE. BECAUSE I SPENT MANY HOURS AT SEA, YOU KNOW, MANY HOURS MAINTAINING THIS THING.>>Reporter: NOW HE’S WORKING TO CREATE JOBS, SAVE MONEY, AND TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. BUT HE KNOWS THAT AN OVERHAUL IS COMING IN THE WAY THAT CANADA GETS RID OF ITS SHIPS. BECAUSE THE NEW SHIPS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW IN HALIFAX DON’T USE P.C.B.s. DISPOSAL IS PART OF THE DESIGN.>>IT’S PART OF THE KIND OF THE CIRCLE OF LIFE, IF YOU WILL, FOR NAVIES. YOU KNOW,S THERE FEW THINGS THAT NATIONS BUY THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE MADE AND SHIPS ARE ONE OF THOSE.>>AS WE GO FORWARD TO THE FUTURE DISMANTLING AND HOW WE GET RID OF OUR FLEETS AFTER THAT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOW ON BEHALF OF CANADA ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY BACK AND ACTUALLY SELL SOME OF THESE SHIPS NOW.>>Reporter: WHEN THE FUTURE VESSELS HAVE FINISHED THEIR TIME IN CANADA THEY COULD BE SOLD INTERNATIONALLY, SENT TO THE AUCTION BLOCK BUT SAVED FROM THE CHOPPING BLOCK. BRETT RUSKIN, CBC NEWS, SYDNEY, NOVA SCOTIA.>>Ian: JUST AHEAD… TICKET TO NOWHERE. “THE MOMENT” IS COMING UP.>>THE PARTY WAS YESTERDAY, HER BIRTHDAY WAS YESTERDAY. SO THAT FOOD IS GOING TO GO TO WASTE IF WE DON’T GET OUT. (*)>>Ian: AT A LABRADOR AIRPORT THEY’RE FOGGED IN AND OUT OF LUCK. BUT FIRST… (*)>>”IN CASE YOU MISSED IT,” IT WAS 50 YEARS AGO TODAY. ONE OF MUSIC’S MOST ICONIC PHOTOS, THE COVER FOR “ABBEY ROAD” WAS TAKEN AUGUST 8, 1969. THE LONDON CROSSWALK HAS BECOME A PILGRIMAGE FOR BEATLES FANS FROM AROUND THE WORLD, EVEN PRIME MINISTERS HAVE STOPPED FOR A PHOTO-OP. THOUSANDS GATHERED AT THE LANDMARK FOR TODAY’S ANNIVERSARY, INCLUDING SOME CANADIANS.>>SO THE 50th ANNIVERSARY OF THEM LANDING IN THE UNITED STATES WHICH TO ME WAS A VERY BIG MOMENT.>>Ian: APPARENTLY THERE WAS NO HIGH CONCEPT BEHIND THE COVER. THEY SIMPLY NEEDED A PICTURE FOR AN ALBUM. AND THE SHOOT WAS TENSE, WE ARE TOLD AND PATIENCE WEARING THIN. WHETHER OUT OF FRUSTRATION OR A STROKE OF ARTISTIC BRILLIANCE, JOHN, PAUL, GEORGE AND RINGO WALKED OUT OF THE STUDIO AND CROSSED THE STREET… AND THE PHOTOGRAPHER BEGAN TO SNAP. HE TOOK JUST SIX PICTURES. NUMBER FIVE IS ON THE COVER.>>* COME TOGETHER >>Ian: “ABBEY ROAD” IS THE ONLY BEATLES RECORD THAT DOESN’T BEAR THE NAME OF THE BAND OR THE ALBUM. THE SOON-TO-BE WORLD FAMOUS (*)>>Ian: NO ONE IS GETTING OUT OF NAIN, AT LEAST NO ONE HAS FLOWN OUT IN THE PAST EIGHT DAYS. THE SMALL CITY ALONG THE NORTH COAST OF LABRADOR HAS BEEN COVERED IN A THICK, DENSE LAYER OF FOG, PREVENTING ALL FLIGHTS FROM COMING OR GOING. MANY PASSENGERS ARE SETTLING IN AND CAMPING OUT, STRANDED IN THE AIRPORT FOR DAYS WAITING, AND HOPING FOR A CHANGE, FOR A FLIGHT. AND THE TRAVELLERS TRYING TO GET OUT OF NAIN, WELL, THAT’S OUR “MOMENT.” (*)>>I’M JUST TRYING TO GET HOME NOW.>>I CAME HERE ON SUNDAY.>>WE’VE GOT A BIRTHDAY GIRL THAT’S WAITING FOR THE FOOD FOR HER PARTY. THAT’S A BIRTHDAY CAKE. AND A TRAY OF FOOD. THE PARTY WAS YESTERDAY. HER BIRTHDAY WAS YESTERDAY. SO THAT FOOD IS GOING TO GO TO WASTE IF WE DON’T GET OUT. IT’S REALLY DIFFICULT WITH ALL OF THE FOG AND RAIN ON THE COAST. WE MISS FLIGHTS AND APPOINTMENTS. WE HAD MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS OUTSIDE.>>HOPEFULLY WE’LL GET OUT OF HERE TOMORROW. SO IT WILL GIVE ME SIX DAYS HERE.>>YOU’VE GOT TO HAVE A LOT OF PATIENCE.>>YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD ATTITUDE, YOU KNOW, AND A GOOD COMPANY.>>Ian: WELL, ANDREW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD ATTITUDE WHEN YOU’RE IN REMOTE PLACES AND AT THE MERCY OF THE WEATHER LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER IN THE DAY IN THE NEWSROOM AND WE KIND OF — WELL, HERE’S SOME PEOPLE AT THE AIRPORT AND THEY HAVE A BIRTHDAY CAKE AND MAYBE THEY CAN’T GET TO THE BIRTHDAY PARTY IN TIME. BUT THE MORE YOU LOOK INTO THIS, THE MORE YOU REALIZE THAT THEY’RE VERY LIGHTHEARTED ABOUT THIS. AND THE WATER IS OUT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN BECAUSE THE WATER GOT SO HIGH THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITH ONE OF THEIR HYDRO POLES. THIS IS — MAYBE IT’S NOT AN EMERGENCY BUT IT’S SURE A HARDSHIP.>>Andrew: AND APPARENTLY COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN AFFECTED AS WELL. YOU CAN’T MAKE LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALLS OUT OF THIS PLACE. THE INTERNET SERVICE IS DOWN AS WELL. AND IT’S RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AIRPORT INFRASTRUCTURE TOO, WHETHER THEY’RE CAPABLE OF DEALING WITH A SITUATION AS DECEPTIVELY SIMPLE AS FOG. BUT THIS IS A REMOTE PLACE AND THEY DON’T NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO THE KINDS OF TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE SEE TODAY, GUIDANCE SYSTEMS, LIGHT SYSTEMS AS WELL TO GUIDE PLANES. SO IT’S A TOUGH SITUATION ALL AROUND.>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS THURSDAY, AUGUST 8TH, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.>>Ian: GOODNIGHT. (*) (*)

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