The awkward debate around Trump’s mental fitness

The awkward debate around Trump’s mental fitness


That is an awkward question,
but it’s one that’s being asked on every major news network in America. President Trump’s fitness for office
is now the top story in the country. Reports suggest that even
Trump’s advisers are worried about it. Everyone around the president questions
his intelligence and fitness for office. 100 percent of the people around him. Concerns have gotten so bad that Trump
agreed to be screened for dementia as part of his last health exam. None of this has to do with Trump’s
political positions. They have to do with his ability to
understand the world around him and make good decisions. Everybody wants to know: is this president of sound mind? And if talking about this kind of thing
makes you uncomfortable, wait ’til you see how much it’s stressing
out actual mental health experts. In a series of tweets, the president insisted
that he is “like really smart” and a “very stable genius.” Last October, a group of 27 mental health
experts published this book:
The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump. In it, they warn that Trump’s behavior
shows him to be dangerously unstable, describing him as a pathological narcissist
who’s delusional, suffers from paranoid ideation, lacks conscience and empathy, and exhibits
a host of destructive and dangerous psychiatric symptoms. Yeah, it’s rough. Two months after its publishing,
the book’s editor met with 12 US senators to talk about Trump’s mental fitness. That editor’s name? Dr. Bandy Lee. I am a forensic psychiatrist at Yale School
of Medicine and an internationally recognized expert on
violence. Since the book came out, Dr. Lee has become
kind of the face of mental health experts warning about Trump. We express our consensus view that Some of the psychological signs are: All of these are highly associated with violence. One thing I noticed is that she starts
almost every interview about Trump by saying this:
I’d like to make clear that I speak for myself She did it in our interview too. That’s because what Dr. Lee and her colleagues
are doing, discussing the mental health of a politician
who isn’t their patient, is pretty controversial. And to understand why, we have to go back
to 1964. Don’t tune out. I’ll make this quick. Back then, Republican Sen. Barry Goldwater
was running for president. He was a far-right candidate who talked openly
about wanting to use nuclear weapons and was endorsed by the KKK. I know, time is a flat circle. In response to Goldwater’s candidacy,
Fact Magazine published this piece, in which over 1,000 psychiatrists argued
that he was psychologically unfit to be president. Goldwater lost the election,
but he sued the magazine’s publisher for libel and won, causing the magazine to shut down. In response, the American Psychiatric Association
created this guideline, which states that when it comes to public
figures, it is unethical for psychiatrists to offer
a professional opinion unless they’ve conducted an examination on
that person. They called it:
the Goldwater Rule. Well, I was going to say it. But yeah, the Goldwater Rule. Which brings us back to this book. Lee and her colleagues argue that they’re
not violating the Goldwater Rule because We’re not interested in making a diagnosis. They’re assessing how dangerous he might be
based on his public behavior. Most of the information that you get about
dangerousness comes from observation of their behavior,
watching their interactions with people, assessing them in real situations,
reports of how they respond, objective signs that we can still evaluate
even if it’s not enough to make a diagnosis. But in March, the APA expanded the Goldwater
Rule, clarifying that rendering any professional
opinion about a public figure’s affect, behavior,
speech, or other presentation is unethical. In other words, unless Trump agrees
to a full mental health screening — never going to happen —
tons of psychiatrists are basically barred from commenting on his mental health. And that is very alarming to me. Many people call it a gag rule. Gag rule, I’m into it. You would be. That gag rule has a big impact on how the
media talks about Trump’s mental fitness. Lee worries that if they can’t talk to mental
health experts, journalists are more likely to normalize
Trump’s abnormal behavior. Most people are not used to seeing impaired
individuals day in and day out, so It’s tough to grapple with the possibility
that the person in charge of our nuclear arsenal
might be deeply unstable. So instead, our brains look for other explanations
for Trump’s behavior. I want to believe he’s just dishonest, not delusional. Trump peddles conspiracy theories about
Obama’s birth certificate, and he’s just playing to his base. Is there some strategy in bringing up
the Obama birth certificate thing again? Trump is not delusional. He’s being very politically savvy. What should be evidence of a serious emergency
gets downplayed as just Trump being Trump. Donald Trump’s a different type of guy. I mean, he operates differently. That difference has made him very successful. One of Lee’s colleagues has a great name
for this phenomenon. He calls it “malignant normality.” Ooh. I know. It’s a great drag name. The result is that journalists end up missing
big danger signs, signs that mental health experts could catch. Pundits will simply say, “That’s just Trump
being Trump,” or, “It’s tough talk.” One crucial contribution
that mental health professionals can make is to But the bigger problem with the APA’s gag
order is that it surrenders debates about Trump’s
mental fitness to non-experts. Isn’t it remarkable that we’re talking about
the president’s mental state? To political commentators or partisan pundits
who actually aren’t qualified to talk about this. I’m not a doctor, but I can tell you what
I see and hear. I’m not a doctor, but I can see that he is
not the sharp mind that he was. I’m not a doctor, but his behavior is erratic. To me, that’s classic narcissism. I’m not a doctor but… Leaving mental health issues to pundits, non-professionals, can keep the public in the dark and keep them confused. These discussions can quickly become train
wrecks, where mental fitness is used as a weapon
to smear political opponents. So many of the traits of a sociopath this
man is displaying. I can’t explain this crazy behavior, but I
can call it crazy. You saw it during the Obama years, when Fox
News regularly made wild accusations about Obama’s
mental state. We all know that Obama is a narcissist,
but this is bordering on the pathological. He doesn’t seem to have empathy or feelings
for Americans. He is certainly unfit to be president. And Lee worries that this kind of coverage
trivializes real concerns about Trump’s mental fitness, reducing them
to just another talking point for pundits to
argue about. As this conversation escalates,
both sides sort of retreating to their corners. The more that mental fitness sounds like
a left-wing talking point, the harder it is to take it seriously. To now say, “Oh, well, look, he seems unhinged,”
does seem like you’re not willing to accept the political reality that you are living
with. To accept that it is simply a political issue
or a partisan issue is an attempt to normalize the discourse. No one’s a doctor tonight that I’ve seen. And somehow say, because you don’t like
what he said tonight in his speech, that he’s somehow unfit to be commander in
chief, that is the most ridiculous… Whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody stop, stop. The original goal of the Goldwater Rule
was to help prevent mental health from being politicized. But if the last few months have shown anything,
it’s that silencing mental health experts does the opposite. Politicization is almost inevitable without
expert input. Mental health expertise, just like medical
expertise, is neutral on all those grounds. Trump has made questions about his mental
fitness unavoidable. What remains to be seen is whether actual
experts will be allowed to answer them.

100 thoughts on “The awkward debate around Trump’s mental fitness

  1. Read about the results of Trump's first health exam on Vox.com: http://bit.ly/2n4zat4

  2. The sliminess of releasing a book like that and using blatant, see-through casuistics to justify it not violating the rule about diagnosing the public figure in question.

  3. Well people said Reagan wasn't fit to be president because he was older. look how he turned out! Trump doesn't have any mental instability, if he does, it doesn't make him less fit to serve

  4. He’s a great president and we all know it’s true I’m not even a republican …

  5. When he starts a war with iran maybe then people will see and realise it

  6. Pilots are mandatory to take tests regularly to ensure they are fit to operate planes for the safety of its passengers. Why isn't it mandatory for the president to be tested when the safety of the country is in his hand?

  7. This is funny! These ppl are good actors! It’s fake bc it’s not true!

  8. I love this fiction Video

  9. there just jealous that Trump is president! Just be happy you even get a president

  10. I don’t like this guy

  11. He is a nationalist to a degree our country first!!!

  12. LIbs ! Trump wins again in 2020 ! Nice try, but we know Trump very well . Go Trump !

  13. Obama is not American H e is an Indonezian citizen

  14. Why do you people want these establishment cronies? They are selling this county out

  15. My friend who majored in Psychology remarked, my professors with doctorate in Psychology are very weird! Guys, be sure, you yourselves will pass the psychological test!

  16. Very true Americans need to watch out before they end up with a president Abdelaziz Bouteflika – change is good change is normal

  17. BTW. What major Networks? CNN rated lower than the History Channel and marginally above the Cooking Channel for last six months and has NO audience anymore. they have laid of hundred off people and are on the verge of going out of business. And it's not that much different for the conspiracy channel MSNBC.

  18. Trump is an Augean Stable Genius. 😂

  19. Evrybutty all good and woke now?

  20. …….Duh! 😭😭😭

  21. I mean…we been knew

  22. So if they’re not diagnosing professionaly, why does it matter then that they are professionals???

  23. trump supporters listen to the expert and if its not pro trump they say its a brainwashing liberal professor.

  24. If he is mentally ill than only elect mentally ill presidents
    Bc compared to every president other than Coolidge, Washington, adams#2, and Jefferson. He is incredible

  25. To question trump presidency based on perceived "disability" is ableism. This debate skirts the reality of Trump's deeply American racial and gendered paradigm he operates from, which is the real issues. For psychology to question his competency based on intellectual or psychological deficiency is too question the ability of ID and mental health people of their capacity to be president of engage in political-economic activity. The ableism in this debate exposes how anti-trump supporters see disabled populations.

  26. I realize as a disabled person, I would never be elected to seats of power because of being LD and physically disabled.

  27. Is Trump mentally ill?

  28. while I agree with the opinions of these doctors, I am very troubled by the way they edited the video; the cutting and pasting of what these people are saying. It essentially, I feel it was edited a little too much. Does anyone agree?

  29. Left=vox. Vox=suck.

  30. And now he is diagosed with narcissistic personality disorder

  31. Yawn Hannity, Yucker Carlson, Ingrown Ingraham, and Judge Looney need to be muzzled.

  32. Trump is USA only hope of keeping our American values.

  33. Trump is incapable of speaking the truth.
    He can't do it, he knows the truth would destroy him
    Lies are his way of acquiring everything he's ever had, other than his massive inheritance

  34. This doctor is so creepy and felt like she is trying to manipulate the people.

  35. It doesn't matter. If he does his job properly and get the results, I don't care.

  36. Trump is not normal, Joseph Watson talks about normal American's hahahahahaha 😀.

  37. I watch both liberal and conservative media. Both sides love to blame the other. It’s asinine how polarized this is.

  38. Box should have this dude interview Ben Shapiro. I mean box.

  39. Just a tip: 'pundents' is not a word. The word is pundits. pun-DITS.

  40. The thumbnail should be a meme

  41. why can't you properly used a marker?

  42. Yeah, probably true.
    He's still your president.

  43. Ο Τραμπ σας ποναει φιλελευθερα ρεμαλια !

  44. "Is Trump mentally unfit to be president?" Is the Pope a catholic? 🙄

  45. The world of psychiatry has gone to far in America. It self is a threat to national security. PSYCHIATRY IS HIGHLY CORRUPTABLE AND HIGHLY UNPOLICED. IN NO WAY SHOULD THE PENTAGON ALLOW PSYCHIATRIST TO GAIN A GRIP ON AMERICAN POWER OR LEADERSHIP ROLE IN AMERICA. America has become the sickest Country in the world of psychiatry.

  46. The women in the video looks dead

  47. omg wait is this the therapist from the rick and morty episode????

  48. Ion really think this is really a problem

  49. Ooh..he´s that angry twitter guy.

  50. A lot of CNN and highlighting though.

  51. You don't have to be a doctor to see that this man is mentally ill. You just have to hear and see it.

  52. Not much has been written about the Ibogaine Effect as a serious factor in the presidential decision-making process, but word has leaked out that some of Trump’s top advisers called in a Brazilian doctor who was said to be treating the President with ‘some kind of strange drug'. “It was hard to take the talk seriously,” one reporter wrote—“until I heard about the appearance of a mysterious Brazilian doctor. That was the key.”

  53. Alzheimer's is not hereditary and dementia isn't either. Go see the study conducted with Dr. Amen and other Scientists. They studied 89,000 brain scans. I don't understand why people are so surprised at President Trump's traits. Calling him a Socio path is like saying all New Yorkers are sociopaths because the difference you see in him is that he IS A NEW YORKER. They do have their attitude (or what seems like an attitude to others). I grew up in NYC, it's normal to speak your mind there. People hate him because he does not allow them to walk all over him, that's all. Now, I'm not saying he is perfect, but are any of you? NO.

  54. speaking of gag rules, this Vox guy sure needs one……

  55. Nobody believed me when I said it.
    You believe me now?

  56. Goldwater rule? So obvious how powerful racists are in this country. I’m talking about Racists in the government

  57. puttin fear in peoples…..but its the united states of america…not north korea. didnt people see how hard to get the wall done? let alone nuclear…but nice try tho doctor

  58. Man.. I am not from America.. But quite aware what is happening in America….. Trump is too fit… If you look at last 5 president (but really trump is honest man not a politician)

  59. Trump is unfit to rule 😂

  60. But "Duty to Warn" is a Cornerstone of Mental Health Professionals. 65,000 Mental Health Professionals sign a Duty to Warn letter to Earth regarding DJ Trump.

  61. Dr. Lee terrifies me with her intelligence and calm professionalism.

  62. Goldwater is my last name

  63. 3:16 Orbán Viktor hungarian preaident whom built a "wall" againts emigrants BEFOR trump was even elected president is in the vackroynd. Viktor is often reffered to as the mafia president as he has so mucb hte but its so corrupt he wins every timd. My grammar is so bad on phone and im skrry bht not gonna fix it.
    Xd

  64. You don't have to be a doctor to know that he's losing it it's so obvious.

  65. Wait so doesn't this question of Trumps mental ability call into question whether he is able to discharge the powers and duties of the Presidency as laid out in the 25th Amendment? If the president is physically and/or mentally unfit then power should transfer to the Vice President who would become President pro tempero until the Senate and Congress begin proceedings to evaluate the the Presidents competency. This seems like something that should seriously be considered if like they said "EVERYONE" around him is concerned for his mental stability. And that is not the type of person that I would want as commander in chief of the most powerful military on Earth as well as the man who has the power to rain nuclear armegeddon down on the planet with the push of a button just cause he's feeling extra whacky one morning.

  66. If his thought patterns are anything like his speaking patterns, he's definitely not playing with a full deck.

  67. sarcastically pulls shocked pikachu face

  68. When Dr. Lee said “Mr. Trump” I was laughing so hard because I’ve never heard that ever. It’s always either Donald Trump, President Trump or just Trump.

  69. For years it has NOT been a question but a certainty.

  70. 0:07 At least give him credit for the mug

  71. Soo who making these rules ?

  72. and you coleman
    'cool-man'

  73. Now, I'm not sure what is murkier – living in or outside America.

  74. I would trust 1000 times someone like Kim Jong In at the command of US nuclear forces

  75. Hmmm foiled attacks number 1 economy number 1 energy producer…winning….he thinks like a winner most people are bums you don't understand the mentality of Alpha people move back to your ghetto loafing minds

  76. The psychiatrist is a North Korean spy lol

  77. He became president coz Hillary was his competitor

  78. woah woah woah, gag rule? you're into it? Hey, lets talk.

  79. I invite you to diagnose Philippines' president. 😥

  80. What my mother use to call people like Trump is SMELL ME!

  81. This guy is so annoying.

  82. so we just gonna ignore how the guy at 0:06 has a creeper mug on his table

  83. Please do a video on the differences between how Trump uses pauses in his speeches vs how Obama used pauses in his speech

  84. Trump is the Stuper The Prophet Baruch Prophesied 3000 yrs ago

  85. yes! he is mentally sick!!

  86. He is not a clown. He is the entire circus.

  87. Trump is AUTISTIC…

  88. when they call Trump a Narcissist, they really mean, he's a scumbag…in other words they are being passive aggressive.

  89. I knew that, trump is totally mad

  90. Dr. Lee seems like a robot

  91. I read an article talking about trump potentially having narcissistic personality disorder

  92. I don’t have degree to figure out trump is a narcissist and unstable

  93. Okay I'm gonna say it orange man bad!

    👌

  94. He's not perfect but come on we can't even get into the last admission I'm talking about the economy

  95. We should keep twitter out of the hands of this mental case.

  96. 8 BiLLion Dollars A Day For Paying All Schizophrenics off and they will have plenty 100$/day each

  97. if all schizophrenics had what i have it would cost 2 billion dollars a day

  98. Clockwork Orange
    PART 2

  99. psychology is pseudo science.

  100. Dr. Brandy Lee kind of looks like she's reading fron a script, since she doesn't even look at the camera.

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