Michael Cohen Testifies LIVE: Trump’s ex-attorney testifies to House Oversight Committee | ABC News

Michael Cohen Testifies LIVE: Trump’s ex-attorney testifies to House Oversight Committee | ABC News


>>Announcer: THIS IS AN ABC NEWS SPECIAL REPORT. MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFIES. NOW REPORTING, GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS.>>>GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF AN HISTORIC DAY IN OUR NATION’S CAPITOL. MICHAEL COHEN, THE PERSONAL LAWYER AND FIXER FOR DONALD TRUMP WILL TESTIFY AGAINST THE PRESIDENT IN THAT HEARING ROOM IN THE RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING. THERE YOU SEE HIM MOMENTS AGO MAKING HIS WAY TOWARDS THE CAPITOL. BEHIND THE SCENES HEARINGS TODAY, SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TOMORROW. TODAY, PUBLIC TESTIMONY FOR THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND WHAT A DRAMATIC DAY THIS WILL BE. THE LAST TIME CONGRESS HEARD TESTIMONY LIKE THIS, MORE THAN FOUR DECADES AGO WHEN PRESIDENT NIXON’S LAWYER JOHN DEAN IMPLICATED NIXON IN THE CRIMES OF WATERGATE. ECHOS OF THAT WITH COHEN TODAY. THE TESTIMONY, COHEN INTENDS TO GIVE A RAW AND BROADSIDE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT’S CHARACTER AND IMPLICATE TRUMP IN THE FINANCE CAMPAIGN FELONY THAT’S SENDING COHEN TO PRISON, CLAIMS OF A MOSCOW TOWER AND COHEN WILL FACE DIRECT ATTACKS ON HIS OWN CHARACTER WITH TOUGH QUESTIONS, ALREADY THREATS FROM ALLIES OF THE PRESIDENT. OUR SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT MARY BRUCE ALREADY ON CAPITOL HILL. MARY, THIS HEARING A DIRECT RESULT OF DEMOCRATS TAKING CONTROL OF CONGRESS.>>GEORGE, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. THIS IS THE FIRST BLOCKBUSTER OVERSIGHT HEARING THAT WILL SHINE A LIGHT ON A MEMBER OF THE PRESIDENT’S INNER CIRCLE. IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT BE HEARING THIS TESTIMONY TODAY IF REPUBLICANS WERE STILL IN CHARGE. TO SET THE SCENE HERE A LITTLE BIT, THE LINE HERE TO GET INSIDE OF THIS HEARING ROOM STRETCHES AS FAR AS I CAN SEE DOWN THIS HALLWAY. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN LINING UP BEFORE DAWN TO WITNESS HISTORY IN WHAT WE NOW KNOW WILL BE A BLISTERING TAKEDOWN OF THE PRESIDENT BY HIS FORMER TRUSTED ADVISER. MICHAEL COHEN IS NOW BEHIND THESE DOORS, ABOUT TO ENTER THE HEARING ROOM WHERE HE WILL RAISE HIS ARM, TAKE AN OATH AND TELL AUTO ALL OF WHAT HE WITNESSED DURING HIS DECADES OF WORKING WITH THE PRESIDENT. >>A BLISTERING ATTACK BY MICHAEL COHEN AND HE’S GOING TO FACE A BLISTERING ATTACK AS WELL. >>42 MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE STAND READY TO GRILL MICHAEL COHEN. HE HAS A LONG LIST OF THINGS HE WANTS TO COVER BUT THEY CAN ALSO COVER A WIDE RANGE OF TOPICS. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT MICHAEL COHEN WITNESSED, WHAT HE HEARD ON A HUGE RANGE OF THINGS. AND REMEMBER, THERE IS ONE THING THAT WE ARE NOT LIKELY TO HEAR A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT AND THAT IS THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. BECAUSE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S PROBE IS STILL ONGOING, MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO STEER CLEAR OF THAT TOPIC. OTHERWISE, GEORGE, IT IS GAME ON WHEN IT COMES TO THE QUESTIONS. >>WE’LL SEE IF MICHAEL COHEN STEERS CLEAR OF IT. I WANT TO BRING IN OUR SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT PIERRE THOMAS FOR MORE AS WELL. PERHAPS THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE THING WE ARE GOING TO HEAR, WE KNOW HE’S GOING TO JAIL FOR THINGS HE SAID HE DID AS DIRECTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. TODAY HE’S GOING TO PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE. >>Reporter: I’M STRUCK AS THIS HEARING IS ABOUT TO BEGIN THAT WE NOW HAVE A RELATIONSHIP THAT’S COME FULL CIRCLE. COHEN BE WORKED DOWN THE HALL FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP AT TRUMP TOWER, A COUNSELLOR IF YOU WILL. THEY’RE NOW MORTAL ENEMIES. COHEN IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THAT HE’S GOING TO JAIL IN PART BECAUSE HE WAS DIRECTED TO COMMIT TWO FELONIES BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THEN CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP. HE’S GOING TO MAKE THAT CASE, PROVIDING SOME EVIDENCE, CHECKS IF YOU WILL, THAT HE SAYS THAT WERE PERSONALLY WRITTEN BY DONALD TRUMP TO CONSUMMATE THIS DEAL IN WHICH THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT WAS MADE FOR A PORN STAR. HE’S GOING TO BRING A CHECK IN WHICH HE’S GOING TO SHOW THAT IMPLICATE DON JR. IF YOU WILL IN TERMS OF PROVIDING A CHECK AS WELL IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, WHAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DESCRIBED AS EFFORTS TO S CIRCUMVENT CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. >>MICHAEL COHEN STILL COOPERATING WITH THE COUNSEL DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. HE’S FACING THREE YEARS IN PRISON AND HAS SOME HOPE AT LEAST THAT THAT SENTENCE CAN COME DOWN. >>Reporter: THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT, GEORGE. OUR SOURCES ARE TELLING US THAT HE IS COOPERATING WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. AS YOU’LL RECALL HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT. THEY WERE FAR MORE SKEPTICAL OF HIM THAN SAY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. SO THIS IS POTENTIALLY IMPORTANT FOR COHEN IN TERMS OF MAYBE GETTING THAT SENTENCE REDUCED. >>PERHAPS NOTHING REFLECTS THE SPLIT IN THIS RELATIONSHIP THAN THE SPLIT SCREEN WE ARE SEEING TODAY. THE PRESIDENT THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY IN HANOI, HAS JUST FINISHED DINNER WITH KIM JONG-UN, THEIR SECOND SUMMIT. DAVID MUIR IS THERE, AND DAVID, THE PRESIDENT MAY BE THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY BUT HE’S BACK IN HIS HOTEL ROOM NOW SURE TO BE WATCHING. >>Reporter: THIS IS A STUNNING JUXTAPOSITION, GEORGE, NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE PRESIDENT IS NOW BACK IN HIS HOTEL HERE IN HANOI. THE ONE AND A HALF HOUR DINNER WITH KIM JONG-UN FINISHING JUST MOMENTS AGO, PLENTY OF TIME FOR THAT MOTORCADE TO GET BACK AND GOOD TIMING FOR THE PRESIDENT WHO IS VERY LIKELY TO BE WATCHING MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFY WITH GREAT INTEREST. THIS ALL PLAYS OUT A SHORT TIME AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP MET WITH KIM JONG-UN THE SECOND TIME IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP TOGETHER. THIS IS OF COURSE THE SECOND SUMMIT WITH KIM JONG-UN, SAYING, WE HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL, A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. THE PRESIDENT WAS POINTEDLY ASKED HAS HE STEPPED AWAY FROM HIS DEMANDS FOR COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION. HE SAID NO. BUT HE ACKNOWLEDGED HIS CRITICS HERE IN HANOI, GEORGE, AND SAYING THAT MANY FELT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE QUICK, AND WE HEARD HIM TRY TO TEMPER EXPECTATIONS GOING INTO THIS SECOND SUMMIT, SAYING, I’M SATISFIED WITH WHERE WE ARE, I’M IN NO RUSH. BUT HE KNOWS THAT THERE ARE SKEPTICS BACK HOME, THAT WE HAVE ELEVATED A NORTH KOREAN DICTATOR YET AGAIN TO THE WORLD STAGE. THEY NEED CONCRETE RESULTS. NO QUESTION THAT THEY HAVE NOT REVEALED WHERE THEY THINK THIS COULD GO. IN FACT, THEY HAVEN’T EVEN REVEALED THE SCHEDULE FOR TOMORROW. WE KNOW THEY’LL MEET AGAIN ONE-ON-ONE BUT THE PRESIDENT IN QUESTIONS TODAY REVEALED THAT THERE WILL BE A NEWS CONFERENCE. VERY LIKELY THE PRESIDENT WILL WOULDN’T TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON KIM JONG-UN, THE SUMMIT, BUT ALSO ON MICHAEL COHEN, AWARE THAT BACK HOME THERE IS THAT SPLIT SCREEN. GEORGE, IT WAS REALLY QUITE STRIKING TO ME THAT EVEN BEFORE WE SAW THEM SHAKE HANDS, THERE WERE NO SMILES AT FIRST, THEN THE SMILES DID APPEAR BEFORE WE SAW THEM SHAKING HANDS. EVEN BEFORE THAT, A TWEET FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING BACK HOME, A TWEET ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN, SAYING THAT HE WAS ONE OF MANY LAWYERS UNFORTUNATELY AND THAT HE DID BAD THINGS UNRELATED TO TRUMP. THE PRESIDENT ADDING, GEORGE, HE IS LYING IN ORDER TO REDUCE HIS PRISON TIME. SO MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE PRESIDENT NEEDS A POLITICAL VICTORY WHILE HE’S HERE IN HANOI, BUT HE IS VERY AWARE OF WHAT IS PLAYING OUT BACK HOME. >>DAVID MUIR, THANKS VERY MUCH. CECILIA VEGA, OUR SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, ALSO HERE. SEVERAL WEEKS NOW, BASICALLY EVER SINCE MICHAEL COHEN WAS SENTENCED, THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ATTACKING. >>I WAS JUST LOOKING OVER TWEETS FROM THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. HE CALLED HIM A RAT BACK IN DECEMBER AND HE’S BEEN RAMPING UP THE ATTACKS AS DAVID SAID. THIS MORNING’S TWEET WAS REALLY INTEREST TOING TO ME BECAUSE TH PRESIDENT’S ATTENTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON HIS MEETING WITH KIM JONG-UN WHICH WAS HAPPENING JUST HOURS BEFORE THAT AND INSTEAD HE WAS OUT TWEETING ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN AND REALLY TRYING TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM IT. WE KNOW FROM OUR SOURCES ON THE GROUND, JON KARL IS TRAVELING WITH THE PRESIDENT — YOU CAN SEE THE TWEET THAT WE WERE JUST REFERENCING — THAT PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDENT’S TEAM, THEY ARE LIVID ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THE PRESIDENT IS PRETTY MAD HIMSELF ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THIS IS TAKE ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENT ON THE WORLD STAGE. IT’S THE WHITE HOUSE, THE RNC, THE ONSLAUGHT OF COHEN’S ATTACK.>>CHRIS CHRISTIE IS HERE, FORMER ALLY OF THE PRESIDENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S GOING ON IS THIS PERSONAL VENDETTA BETWEEN MICHAEL COHEN AND DONALD TRUMP. THEY’VE GOT EACH OTHER’S NUMBERS. >>THIS IS WHAT I’VE SAID A LONG TIME ABOUT THE PERSONNEL CHOICES THE PRESIDENT’S MADE OVER TIME. UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM IT’S COMING BACK TO ROOST AGAIN. MICHAEL COHEN IS A GUY WHO NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSE TO ANYBODY, WHO WAS IN A RESPONSIBLE POSITION, CERTAINLY NOT IN A CERTAINLY POSITION TO ULTIMATELY BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WHATEVER MICHAEL COHEN SAYS TODAY ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, MICHAEL COHEN IS A BAD GUY. HE’S A GUY WHO DID A LOT OF BAD THINGS AND HE HAD CONSCIOUS DECISIONS TO MAKE AS A LAWYER AND HE MADE THOEM. IT ALSO REFLECTS ON THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT ALLOWED THIS GUY TO BE CLOSE TO HIM, GAVE HIM RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCESS. >>WHAT COHEN IS GOING TO TESTIFY IS THE PRESIDENT HAD ME AROUND TO DO THESE DIRTY DEEDS FOR HIM. >>GEORGE, LISTEN, I KNOW THAT’S WHAT MICHAEL IS GOING TO SAY AND HE’S GOING TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO CORROBORATE THAT, BUT ALSO, GEORGE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION AS A LAWYER TO DO THIS. I THINK DAN KNOWS THIS TOO. WE’RE TRAINED FROM THE TIME WE GET INTO LAW SCHOOL THAT OUR FIRST RESPONSIBILITY TO THE LAW. IT’S CLEAR THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING TO ADMIT TODAY THAT HE FAILED IN THAT REGARD. THAT DOESN’T EXONERATE THE PRESIDENT BUT IT PUTS MICHAEL COHEN IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT. >>THE QUESTION, DAN, HOW MUCH DOES THAT IMPUGN HIS CREDIBILITY?>>THERE’S NO QUESTION HE’S A FLAWED WITNESS. HE HAS CREDIBILITY PROBLEMS, BUT EVERY DAY IN COURTROOMS AROUND AMERICA WE SEE PEOPLE TESTIFYING WHO HAVE CREDIBILITY PROBLEMS, MEANING PROSECUTORS — AND THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL, BUT PROSECUTORS MAKE DEALS WITH WITNESSES WHERE THEY ADMIT TO REALLY BAD THINGS SOMETIMES THAT GO TO THE VERY HEART OF TELLING THE TRUTH, AND YET PROSECUTORS PRESENT THEM ON BEHALF OF THE STATE OR ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SAY, WE BELIEVE THIS PERSON, WE HAVE CORROBORATING EVIDENCE TO BACK UP WHAT HE OR SHE IS SAYING. AS A RESULT, WE’RE GOING TO PUT THAT PERSON FORWARD. SO THE NOTION THAT, WELL, I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANY WITNESS WHO’S A CONVICTED FELON AND KNOWN LIAR WOULD BE CALLED, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS EVERY DAY THAT HAPPENS. THE QUESTION OF WHETHER HE’S CREDIBLE OR NOT IS A SEPARATE QUESTION. >>I’VE PUT CONVICTED FELONS ON THE STAND EVERY MONTH THAT I WAS U.S. ATTORNEY FOR SEVEN YEARS. THE KEY THING THAT DAN SAID THERE IS CORROBORATION. AS WE GO THROUGH MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY TODAY, LET’S BREAK DOWN WHAT’S CORROBORATED BY INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE AND WHAT ISN’T. THE CORROBORATION WILL BE MUCH MORE CREDIBLE WITH THE PUBLIC THAN THE UNCORROBORATED STATEMENTS. >>ON THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE STUFF, WE SHOULD REMIND EVERYBODY, DAN, THAT THE FACTS OF THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE FELONIES ARE TESTIFIED TO NOT ONLY BY MICHAEL COHEN BUT THE SOUTHERN PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK. >>THE SOUTHERN PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK CLEARLY BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL COHEN COMMITTED THIS CRIME AND MICHAEL COHEN HAS SAID THAT IT WAS DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT WHICH I THINK THE PROSECUTORS BELIEVE AS WELL. I THINK AS WE LISTEN TO HIS TESTIMONY TODAY, LET’S SEPARATE OUT EMBARRASSING INFORMATION, LACK OF TRUTHFUL ACCOUNTS FROM CRIMES. IT’S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BECAUSE THERE’S GOING TO BE SOME EMBARRASSING STUFF HERE, RIGHT, ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S GRADES AND THE REASON THAT HE AVOIDED THE DRAFT. >>AND CALLING THE PRESIDENT A RACIST. >>CALLING THE PRESIDENT A RACIST. ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT’S GOING TO BOTHER THE PRESIDENT BUT THEY DON’T GO TO THE ISSUE OF WAS A CRIME COMMITTED. >>TERRY MORAN, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IS THIS GOING TO HAVE ON THE CONGRESS SEPARATE FROM WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE CRIMINAL COURTS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, WHAT IMPACT IS THIS GOING TO HAVE?>>AND GETTING PRESSURED BY THEIR BASE. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, GEORGE, THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS WHO WANT THIS PRESIDENT OUT NOT THROUGH THE ELECTION BUT SOONER, THROUGH IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT HE’S COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. AS DAN WAS JUST SAYING, MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING TO PRODUCE THESE TWO CHECKS WHICH ARE PAYMENT FOR THE CRIME THAT MICHAEL COHEN COMMITTED. THEY’RE THE HUSH MONEY TO STORMY DANIELS. AND SO THOSE ARE AFTER THE PRESIDENT TOOK AN OATH TO FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THERE HE IS VIOLATING THEM. THAT IS GOING TO GET SOME ATTENTION IN CONGRESS, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU’RE GOING TO AIM AT THE KING, THE OLD SAYING HAS THAT YOU BETTER AIM STRAIGHT AND SCORE A DIRECT HIT. THAT QUESTION, IT CAN ONLY BE ANSWERED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. IF THEY THINK THAT THIS CRIME, IF PROVED, IS SUFFICIENT TO IMPEACH, THEN IT WILL MOVE. IF NOT, IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND GETTING TWO-THIRDS OF A SENATE TO IMPEACH THIS PRESIDENT SEEMS A LONG, LONG WAY AWAY. >>ALMOST 90% APPROVAL AMONG REPUBLICANS. CECILIA. >>THIS ARMS THE PRESIDENT’S ALLIES. REPUBLICANS ARE ALREADY SAYING THAT THIS IS A CHARADE SETTING UP THE DEMOCRATS TO BEGIN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. THE DEMOCRATS SAY THAT’S NOT ACTUALLY THE CASE, BUT REPUBLICANS ARE REALLY ARMED WITH THIS. EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT, EVERY TIME THE ACCUSATION GETS HURLED IN THE WAY OF THE DEMOCRATS, THEY’RE SAYING THAT MICHAEL COHEN SHOULDN’T EVEN HAVE A PLATFORM LIKE THIS, THAT HE IS, IN FACT, AN ADMITTED LIAR. HE WILL BE GOING TO JAIL FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. >>IN FACT, DURING THE LAST CAMPAIGN, REPUBLICANS WERE TALKING MORE ABOUT IMPEACHMENT THAN DEMOCRATS WERE. CHRIS, I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT. YOU’RE A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY AS WELL. WE KNOW IN MICHAEL COHEN’S PLEA AGREEMENT THAT INDIVIDUAL ONE IS DONALD TRUMP DIRECTING HIM TO COMMIT THIS CRIME. WE’RE GOING TO HEAR THAT FROM MICHAEL COHEN TODAY. WHAT’S HARDER TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT DOES WITH THAT FACT. DO THEY ABIDE BY WHAT IT APPEARS ROBERT MUELLER IS GOING TO ABIDE BY, THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN’T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT. >>I THINK THEY DO. WHEN YOU’RE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND HERE YOU HAVE A U.S. ATTORNEY WHO’S RECUSED IN JEFF BERMAN SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE LOWER DOWN THE CHAIN MAKING KEY DECISIONS, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST JUSTICE DEPARTMENT POLICY AND THIS IS THE KIND OF DECISION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RUN BY THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. IF YOU WERE GOING TO BRING AN INDICTMENT TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED. >>MICHAEL COHEN COMING INTO THE HEARING ROOM RIGHT NOW. AS WE SAID, HE WAS BEFORE THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS YESTERDAY. HE’S GOING TO BE BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TOMORROW. VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE’RE SEEING TODAY WHEN HE’S GOING TO BE IN PUBLIC. >>ALSO ON THE IMPEACHMENT THING, I AGREE WITH CECILIA. THEY BETTER HAVE AN END GAME. THE PRESIDENT TOOK A LOT OF CRITICISM, RIGHTFULLY, FOR CLOSING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT WITHOUT AN END GAME. IF THE DEMOCRATS GO DOWN THIS ROAD, THEY BETTER HAVE AN END GAME BECAUSE THERE’S NO WAY THE SENATE IS GOING TO REMOVE DONALD TRUMP.>>WE’RE COMING UP ON 10:00 RIGHT NOW. WE’RE COVERING OF COURSE THE HEARINGS OF MICHAEL COHEN, MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFYING, THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER LAWYER AND FIXER, TESTIFYING ON CAPITOL HILL. MARY, WE JUST SAW MICHAEL COHEN MAKE HIS WAY INTO THAT ROOM SURROUNDED. >>GEORGE, THE CROWDS HERE ARE JUST TREMENDOUS. THERE’S A LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THIS HEARING — I’M RIGHT OUTSIDE THE HEARING ROOM AND YOU CAN STILL SEE JUST A MASS TIF LINE OF PEOPLE WAITING TO GET IN AND HAVE A CHANCE TO HEAR WHAT SOME HAVE TOLD US THEY SEE SIMPLY AS HISTORY. MICHAEL COHEN HAS OF COURSE TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS. HE HAS PLEADED GUILTY TO LYING TO CONGRESS BEFORE. TODAY HE SAYS UNLIKE BEFORE WHEN HE CAME TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT, TODAY HE SAYS HE IS HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH. THIS IS HIS CHANCE TO DO SO PUBLICLY AND ON CAMERA. >>YOU HEAR THAT FLUTTER OF CAMERAS AS MICHAEL COHEN PREPARES TO TAKE HIS SEAT. HE WILL BE TESTIFYING UNDER OATH. FIRST WE’RE GOING TO HAVE OPENING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, ELIJAH CUMMINGS. ALSO THE REPUBLICAN RANKING MEMBER, JIM JORDAN. MICHAEL COHEN HAS BEEN PREPARING FOR THIS FOR SOME TIME. HIS TIME IN PRISON DELAYED BY TWO MONTHS. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO ENTER PRISON FOR A THREE-YEAR SENTENCE ON MARCH 6. THAT’S BEEN PUT OFF TWO MONTHS TO MAY 6 IN PART TO GIVE THIS TESTIMONY AND IN PART TO COOPERATE WITH PROSECUTORS. HE’S ALSO RECOVERING FROM SHOULDER SURGERY. THIS IS EXPECTED TO GO ALL DAY, AS MARY WAS SAYING, IT’S A LARGE COMMITTEE, 40 MEMBERS, MORE THAN 40 MEMBERS, SEVERAL OF THE NEW MEMBERS AS WELL. QUESTIONING UNDER THE FIVE-MINUTE RULE. THAT’S USUALLY VIOLATED. MOST OF THE TIME THEY GO A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT. WE REALLY DON’T KNOW HOW MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING TO REACT UNDER THIS PRESSURE. WE’VE SEEN HIM AS THE PIT BULL FOR THE PRESIDENT. WE’VE SEEN HIM WITH REMORSE AFTER SENTENCING. HAVE NOT SEEN HIM IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS. THERE’S THE GAVEL.>>THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. WITHOUT OBJECTION THE CHAIR IS AUTHORIZED TO DECLARE A RECESS WE WILL HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN, FORMER ATTORNEY TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER.>>YOU’LL STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER. >>RULE 9F OF THE COMMITTEE RULES SAY THAT ANY TESTIMONY FROM YOUR WITNESS NEEDS TO BE HERE 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIRMAN KNOWS WELL THAT AT 10:08 WE RECEIVED THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY AND THEN WE RECEIVED EVIDENCE THIS MORNING AT 7:54. NOW, IF THIS WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I COULD LOOK BEYOND IT, BUT IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT BY THIS WITNESS AND HIS ADVISERS TO ONCE AGAIN SHOW HIS DISDAIN. I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS HEA HEARING.>>I WANT TO THANK THE GEN GENTLEMAN. LET ME SAY THIS. WE GOT THE TESTIMONY LATE LAST NIGHT, WE DID. AND WE GOT IT TO YOU ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TIME THAT WE GOT IT. I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS HEARING — >>MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE RULE AND IF IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL, I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I’M NOT SAYING IT WAS INTENTIONAL ON YOUR PART. I’M SAYING IT’S INTENTION ON HIS PART BECAUSE MR. DEAN LAST NIGHT ON A CABLE NEWS NETWORK ACTUALLY MADE IT ALL VERY EVIDENT, JOHN DEAN. AND I’LL QUOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN. HE SAID, AS A FORMER COMMITTEE COUNSEL IN THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THEN A LONG-TERM WITNESS SITTING ALONE AT THE TABLE IS IMPORTANT, QUOTE, HOLDING YOUR STATEMENT AS LONG AS YOU CAN SO THE OTHER SIDE CAN’T CHEW IT UP IS IMPORTANT AS WELL, CLOSE QUOTE. SO IT WAS ADVISED THAT OUR WITNESS GOT, FOR THIS PARTICULAR BODY, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN YOU WERE IN THE MINORITY, YOU WOULDN’T HAVE STOOD FOR IT AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE SHOULD NOT STAND FOR IT AS A BODY. >>LET ME SAY THIS — >>MR. CHAIRMAN — >>LET ME SAY THIS — >>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>YES.>>I MOVE TO TABLE.>>CHAIRMAN?>>SECOND?>>MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE THE MOTION. >>THE VOTE IS IN TABLING THE MOTION. >>YOU KNOW WHO HAD THIS MATERIAL BEFORE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? CNN HAD IT BEFORE WE DID. >>SIR — >>CNN HAD IT BEFORE WE DID. >>YEAH, WELL, THE VOTE IS ON TABLING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >>AYE. >>ALL IN FAVOR SAY NO. >>NO. >>THE AYES HAVE IT. >>I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR. I CAN ASSURE YOU IT’S IN THE RULES. I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR. >>DO THE RULES MATTER, MR. CHAIRMAN?>>RECOGNIZE THE GENTLE LADY. >>MOVE TO WAIVE THE RULES.>>THERE’S A MOTION TO TABLE. >>MOVE TO TABLE.>>SHE MADE TWO MOTIONS, WHAT’S THE MOTION?>>THE VOTE IS ON TABLING — >>I MOVE TO TABLE THE APPEAL TO THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.>>THE VOTE IS ON THAT . ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >>AYE. >>ALL IN FAVOR SAY NO. >>NO. >>THE AYES HAVE IT. >>I ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTED, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>VERY WELL. THE CLERK WILL RECALL THE ROLE.>>THERE WE SEE THE REPUBLICANS PROTESTING, SAYING THEY DIDN’T GET MICHAEL COHEN’S PREPARED TESTIMONY 24 HOURS AHEAD OF TIME. THEY’RE SAYING THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. I WANT TO BRING IN MARY BRUCE FOR MORE ON THAT. THEY’RE PRETTYING HERE, MARY, BUT WHAT MATTERS IN A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE IS WHO HAS THE VOTES.>>EXACTLY. IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTION AS TO THE PARTISAN TENSION IN THE ROOM, THAT WAS JUST ON FULL DISPLAY. REPUBLICAN MARK MEADOWS STRAIGHT OFF THE BAT DEMANDING THAT THIS HEARING BE DELAYED BECAUSE HE SAID THE TESTIMONY WASN’T MADE AVAILABLE UNTIL LATE OVERNIGHT. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THE STAKES ARE HIGH HERE AND WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAY OUT INSIDE THIS HEARING ROOM BEFORE IT EVEN GETS STARTED BUT DEMOCRATS ULTIMATELY HAVE THE LOUDER VOICE AND MORE VOTES IN THIS ROOM. >>THE VOTE IS BEING CALLED RIGHT NOW. LET’S LISTEN IN. >>MS. SPEAR VOTES YES. MS. KELLY? MS. KELLY VOTES YES. MS. LAWRENCE. MS. LAWRENCE VOTES YES.>>TERRY MORAN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE’RE GOING TO SEE HERE AND IT’S BECOME COMMON IN OUR POLITICAL CULTURE IS TWO VERY DIFFERENT STORY LINES COMING OUT OF THIS HEARING TODAY. >>THAT’S RIGHT. EACH ONE OF THEM PARTISAN, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. THIS IS MORE THAN TWO DIFFERENT STORY LINES. THIS IS AN EFFORT TO SABOTAGE THE RELIABILITY, THE CREDIBILITY OF THESE HEARINGS. THE DEMOCRATS WOULD DO IT TOO ON THE OTHER SIDE. YOU JUST THROW AS MUCH SAND INTO THE GEARS AS YOU CAN, MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, POUND THE TABLE, IT’S AN INJUSTICE, THIS WHOLE PLACE IS OUT OF ORDER AND YOU WATER DOWN THE IMPACT OF THE HEARING. THAT’S THE HOPE ANYWAY. THAT’S AN OLD-TIME STRATEGY.>>MR. CLOUD VOTES NO. MR. GIBBS.>>THEY’LL WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH ROLE CALL. CECILIA, WE DO KNOW THAT MICHAEL COHEN SPENT HOURS WITH THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE YESTERDAY. EVEN THOUGH THEY’RE SAYING THAT RUSSIA WILL BE OFF THE TABLE TODAY IF MICHAEL COHEN, AS WE EXPECT, BRINGS IT UP AND TALKS ABOUT THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW, THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THAT AS WELL. AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE READY FOR THAT. MANY HAD BEEN FURIOUS THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO ASK ABOUT RUSSIA PER THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IN THAT ONGOING INVESTIGATION BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY’RE GOING TO ASK ABOUT IT NOW. >>THEY JUST FINISHED THE ROLE CALL. LET’S GO BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN, ELIJAH CUMMINGS. >>THE MOTION TO TABLE IS AGREED TO. LET ME SAY THIS, YOU’VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HEAR WHAT MR. COHEN HAS TO SAY, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR HIM. SO WE’RE GOING TO PROCEED. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN JUDGE HIS CREDIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES. NOW — >>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>YES. >>WE DID NOT SAY THAT. WE JUST SAID WE WANTED TO FOLLOW THE RULES. WE DIDN’T SAY STOP THE HEARING, WE JUST SAID POSTPONE IT SO WE COULD GET HIS TESTIMONY AND THE EXHIBITS WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET THEM ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THIS COMMITTEE. WE DIDN’T SAY WE DIDN’T WANT TO HEAR FROM THE GUY. >>RECLAIMING MY TIME. RECLAIMING MY TIME. I NOW RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR FIVE MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT. TODAY THE COMMITTEE WILL HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S LONG-TIME PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND ONE OF HIS CLOSEST AND MOST TRUSTED ADVISERS OVER THE LAST DECADE. ON AUGUST 21st, MR. COHEN APPEARED IN FEDERAL COURT AND ADMITTED TO ARRANGING SECRET PAYOFFS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION TO SILENCE WOMEN ALLEGING AFFAIRS WITH DONALD TR TRUMP. MR. COHEN ADMITTED TO VIOLATING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS AND OTHER LAWS. HE ADMITTED TO COMMITTING THESE FELONIES, QUOTE, IN COORDINATION WITH AND AT THE DIRECTION OF, UNQUOTE PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE ADMITTED, HE ADMITTED TO LYING ABOUT HIS ACTIONS TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. SOME WILL CERTAINLY ASK IF MR. COHEN WAS LYING THEN, WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE HIM NOW? THIS IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. AS A TRIAL LAWYER FOR MANY YEARS, I HAVE FACED THIS SITUATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. HERE IS HOW I VIEW OUR ROLE. EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM HAS A DUTY TO SERVE AS AN INDEPENDENT CHECK ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. THE PRESIDENT’S MADE MANY STATEMENTS OF HIS OWN, AND NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE. THEY CAN WATCH MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY AND MAKE THEIR OWN JUDGMENT. WE RECEIVED A COPY OF MR. COHEN’S WRITTEN STATEMENT LATE LAST NIGHT. IT INCLUDES NOT ONLY PERSONAL EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS OF MEETINGS WITH DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT INSIDE THE OVAL OFFICE, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES DOCUMENTS AND OTHER CORROBORATING EVIDENCE OF SOME OF MR. COHEN’S STATEMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, MR. COHEN HAS PROVIDED A COPY OF A CHECK SENT WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE, WITH DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE ON IT, TO REIMBURSE MR. COHEN FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS. THIS NEW EVIDENCE RAISES A HOST OF TROUBLING LEGAL AND ETHICAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND BEFORE. WITH Y’ALL CLOSE THAT DOOR, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THIS CHECK IS DATED AUGUST 1st, 2017. SIX MONTHS LATER, IN APRIL OF 2018, THE PRESIDENT DENIED ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IN APRIL OF 2018, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS FLYING ON AIR FORCE ONE WHEN A REPORTER ASKED HIM THE QUESTION, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT A $130,000 PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS? THE ANSWER WAS, QUOTE, NO. A MONTH AFTER THAT THE PRESIDENT ADMITTED TO MAKING PAYMENTS TO MR. COHEN, PROCLAIMED THEY WERE PART OF A, QUOTE, MONTHLY RETAINER, UNQUOTE, FOR LEGAL SERVICES. THIS CLAIM FELL APART IN AUGUST WHEN FELLOW PROSECUTORS CONCLUDED, AND I QUOTE, IN TRUTH AND IN FACT, THERE WAS NO SUCH RETAINER AGREEMENT, END OF QUOTE. TODAY WE WILL ALSO HEAR MR. COHEN’S ACCOUNT OF A MEETING IN 2016 IN DONALD TRUMP’S OFFICE DURING WHICH ROGER STONE SAID OVER A SPEAKER PHONE THAT HE HAD JUST SPOKEN WITH JULIAN ASSANGE WHO SAID THERE WOULD BE A, QUOTE, MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN, END OF QUOTE. ACCORDING TO MR. COHEN, MR. TRUMP REPLIED, QUOTE, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT, END OF QUOTE. THE TESTIMONY THAT MICHAEL COHEN WILL PROVIDE TODAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS DEEPLY DISTURBING AND IT SHOULD BE TROUBLING TO ALL AMERICANS. WE ALL HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN EVALUATION OF THE EVIDENCE AND MR. COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. AS HE ADMITS, HE HAS REPEATEDLY LIED IN THE PAST. I AGREE WITH RANKING MEMBER JORDAN THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR WE NEED TO WEIGH, BUT WE MUST WEIGH IT AND WE MUST HEAR FROM HIM. WHERE I DISAGREE FUNDAMENTALLY WITH THE RANKING MEMBER INVOLVES HIS EFFORTS TO PREVENT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM HEARING FROM MR. COHEN. MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY RAISES GRAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF DONALD TRUMP’S — PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S CONDUCT AND THE TRUTHFULNESS OF STATEMENTS WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. WE NEED TO ASSESS AND INVESTIGATE THIS NEW EVIDENCE AS WE HOLD OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES. WE WILL CONTINUE AFTER TODAY TO GATHER MORE DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY IN OUR SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. I HAVE MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO MR. COHEN THAT IF HE COMES HERE TODAY AND HE DOES NOT TELL US THE TRUTH, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO REFER THOSE UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENTS TO DOJ. SO, WHEN PEOPLE SAY HE DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE, HE DOES HAVE A LOT TO LOSE IF HE LIES. AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BY THE WAY, VOTED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN NOVEMBER, AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR MR. COHEN IN PUBLIC SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN JUDGMENTS. MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, NOT THE END. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE DAYS OF THIS COMMITTEE PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT AT ALL COSTS ARE OVER. THEY’RE OVER. BEFORE I CLOSE, I WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT THE SCOPE OF TODAY’S HEARING. AT THE REQUEST OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND MY VERY GOOD FRIEND ADAM SCHIFF, CONGRESSMAN ADAM SCHIFF, THE CHAIRMAN, I INTENDED OVER THE REJECTIONS OF THE RANKING MEMBER TO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF TODAY’S HEARING TO AVOID QUESTIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. HOWEVER, MR. COHEN’S WRITTEN TESTIMONY, IN HIS WRITTEN TESTIMONY, HE’S MADE STATEMENTS RELATING TO RUSSIA. THESE ARE TOPICS THAT WE UNDERSTAND DO NOT RAISE CONCERN FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. SO IN FAIRNESS TO THE RANKING MEMBER AND ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE WILL NOT RESTRICT QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE WITNESS’S TESTIMONY OR RELATED QUESTIONS HE IS WILLING TO ANSWER. FINALLY, I REMIND MEMBERS THAT WE WILL NEED TO REMAIN MINDFUL OF THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE ONGOING DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATIONS. THOSE SCOPING LIMITATIONS HAVE NOT CHANGED. FINALLY, AND TO MR. COHEN, MARTIN LUTHER KING, MR. COHEN, SAID SOME WORDS THAT I LEAVE WITH YOU TODAY BEFORE YOU TESTIFY. HE SAID FAITH IS TAKING THE FIRST STEP, EVEN WHEN YOU CAN’T SEE THE WHOLE STAIRCASE. THERE COMES A TIME WHEN SILENCE BECOMES BETRAYAL. OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT TRULY MATTER. IN THE END, HE SAYS, WE WILL REMEMBER NOT THE WORDS OF OUR ENEMIES BUT THE SILENCE OF OUR FRIENDS. WITH THAT, I YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN, THE RANKING MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE, MR. JORDAN.>>ELIJAH CUMMINGS. YOU JUST SAW MICHAEL COHEN CAUGHT UP WITH SOME EMOTION AS THE CHAIRMAN QUOTED MARTIN LUTHER KING TO HIM. WE’RE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM THE RANKING REPUBLICAN ON THE COMMITTEE, JIM JORDAN. LET’S TUNE IN. >>YOUR FIRST ANNOUNCED WITNESS, MICHAEL COHEN. I WANT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM TO THINK ABOUT THIS. THE FIRST WITNESS FOR THE 116th CONGRESS IS A GUY WHO’S GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR CHAIRMANSHIP WILL ALWAYS BE IDENTIFIED WITH THIS HEARING. WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS THE MICHAEL COHEN HEARING PRESENTED BY LANNY DAVIS. THAT’S RIGHT, LANNY DAVIS CHOREOGRAPHED THE WHOLE DARN THING. THE CLINTONS’ BEST FRIEND, LOYALIST, OPERATIVE, LANNY DAVIS PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER. YOU KNOW HOW WE KNOW? HE TOLD OUR STAFF. HE TOLD THE COMMITTEE STAFF THE HEARING WAS HIS IDEA, HE SELECTED THIS COMMITTEE. HE HAD TO TALK MICHAEL COHEN INTO COMING. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE HAD TO PERSUADE THE CHAIRMAN TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT. HE TOLD US IT TOOK TWO MONTHS TO GET THAT JOB DONE, BUT HERE WE ARE. HE TALKED HIM INTO IT. THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS HAS APPEARED AGAIN SO QUICKLY IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. CERTAINLY IT’S THE FIRST TIME A CONVICTED PERJURER HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO BE A STAR WITNESS IN A HEARING. THERE’S A REASON THIS IS A FIRST, BECAUSE NO OTHER COMMITTEE WOULD DO IT. THINK ABOUT THIS, WITH MR. COHEN HERE, THIS COMMITTEE, WE GOT LOTS OF LAWYERS ON THIS COMMITTEE, THIS COMMITTEE IS ACTUALLY ENCOURAGING A WITNESS TO VIOLATE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN WE LEGITIMIZE DISHONESTY, WE DELEGITIMIZE THIS INSTITUTION. WE’RE SUPPOSED TO PURSUE THE TRUTH, BUT YOU HAVE STACKED THE DECK AGAINST THE TRUTH. WE ARE AONLY ALLOWED TO ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS EVEN WITH THAT AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE. YOU INITIALLY TOLD US WE CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. NOPE, NOPE. ONLY SUBJECTS WE CAN TALK ABOUT ARE ONES YOU THINK ARE GOING TO BE HARMFUL TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME FROM A GUY WHO CAN’T BE TRUSTED. HERE’S WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID ABOUT MR. COHEN. WHILE MR. COHEN ENJOYED A PRIVILEGED LIFE, HIS DESIRE FOREVER GREATER WEALTH AND INFLUENCE PRECIPITATED AN EXTENSIVE COURSE OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT. MR. COHEN COMMITTED FOUR, FOUR DISTINCT FEDERAL CRIMES OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS. HE WAS MOTIVATED TO DO SO BY PERSONAL GREED AND REPEATEDLY, REPEATEDLY USED HIS POWER AND INFLUENCE FOR DECEPTIVE ENDS, B BUT THE DEMOCRATS DON’T CARE. THEY JUST WANT TO USE YOU, MR. COHEN. YOU’RE THEIR PATSY TODAY. THEY GOT TO FIND SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE TO SAY SOMETHING SO THEY CAN TRY TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT FROM OFFICE. TOM STEYER TOLD THEM TO. TOM STEYER LAST WEEK ORGANIZED A TOWN HALL, GUESS WHERE? CHAIRMAN NADLER’S DISTRICT IN MANHATTAN. TWO NIGHTS AGO TOM STEYER ORGANIZED A TOWN HALL. GUESS WHERE? CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS’ DISTRICT IN BALTIMORE. THE BEST THEY CAN FIND TO START THIS PROCESS, MICHAEL COHEN, FRAUDSTER, CHEAT, CONVICTED FELON AND A TWO-MONTH FEDERAL INMATE — ACTUALLY, THEY DIDN’T FIND HIM. LANNY DAVIS FOUND HIM. I’LL SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS, THEY STICK TO THE PLAYBOOK. REMEMBER, REMEMBER HOW ALL THIS STARTED. THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN HIRED PERKINS LAW FIRM, WHO HIRED GLEN SIMPSON, WHO HIRED A FOREIGNER, CHRISTOPHER STEELE, WHO PUT TOGETHER THE FAKE DOSSIER THAT THE FBI USED TO GO GET A WARRANT TO SPY ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. BUT WHEN THAT WHOLE SCHEME FAILED AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAID WE’RE GOING TO MAKE DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENT, THEY SAID WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. SO NOW, CLINTON LOYALIST, CLINTON OPERATIVE LANNY DAVIS HAS PERSUADED THE CHAIRMAN OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO GIVE A CONVICTED FELON A FORUM TO TELL STORIES AND LIE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SO THEY CAN ALL START THEIR IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. I YIELD BACK.>>I WANTED TO NOTE — >>MR. CHAIRMAN, ACTUALLY, I HAVE A MOTION.>>YIELD BACK.>>I HAVE A MOTION OF 2K6 OF RULE 11 — >>YOU YIELDED BACK, SIR. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU TOOK SEVEN MINUTES. I TOOK FOUR. >>BUT THE GENTLEMAN YIELDED BACK. >>THAT’S HOW YOU’RE GOING TO OPERATE? FIRST YOU DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO SAY — >>POINT OF ORDER.>>YOU GET TO DEVIATE FROM THE RULES?>>ORDER. >>I JUST HAVE A SIMPLE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. I WANTED TO KNOW THAT UNDER RULE 11, ALL MEDIA AND PHOTOGRAPHERS MUST BE OFFICIALLY CREDENTIALED TO RECORD THESE PROCEEDINGS AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS. I ALSO WANTED TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE SPECTATORS IN THE HEARING ROOM TODAY. WE WELCOME YOU AND WE RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO BE HERE. WE ALSO ASK IN TURN FOR YOUR RESPECT AS WE PROCEED WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMITTEE TODAY. IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE COMMITTEE TO PROCEED WITHOUT ANY DISRUPTIONS. ANY DISRUPTIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE WILL RESULT IN THE UNITED STATES CAPITOL POLICE RESTORING ORDER. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR COOPERATION. NOW I WANT TO WELCOME MR. COHEN AND THANK HIM FOR PARTICIPATING IN TODAY’S HEARING. MR. COHEN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND I WILL BEGIN TO SWEAR YOU IN. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?>>I DO. >>LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE WITNESS ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU, AND YOU MAY BE SEATED. THE MICROPHONES ARE SENSITIVE SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THEM. WITHOUT OBJECTION YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. WITH THAT, MR. COHEN, YOU ARE NOW RECOGNIZED TO GIVE AN ORAL PRESENTATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY. IS THE MIC ON?>>YES. CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY. I HAVE ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT MY FAMILY BE PROTECTED FROM PRESIDENTIAL THREATS AND THAT THE COMMITTEE BE SENSITIVE TO THE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. I AM HERE UNDER OATH TO CORRECT THE RECORD, TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS TRUTHFULLY AND TO OFFER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I KNOW ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY DOUBT AND ATTACK ME ON MY CREDIBILITY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT I HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THIS OPENING STATEMENT DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IRREFUTABLE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THE INFORMATION YOU WILL HEAR IS ACCURATE AND TRUTHFUL. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I IMAGINE, WHEN I ACCEPTED A JOB IN 2007, TO WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP THAT HE WOULD ONE DAY RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY, TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN ON A PLATFORM OF HATE AND INTOLERANCE AND ACTUALLY WIN. I REGRET THE DAY I SAID YES TO MR. TRUMP. I REGRET ALL THE HELP AND SUPPORT I GAVE HIM ALONG THE WAY. I AM ASHAMED OF MY OWN FAILINGS AND PUBLICLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM BY PLEADING GUILTY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I AM ASHAMED OF MY WEAKNESS AND MY MISPLACED LOYALTY, OF THE THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE HIM. I AM ASHAMED THAT I CHOSE TO TAKE PART IN CONCEALING MR. TRUMP’S ILLICIT ACTS RATHER THAN LISTEN TOING TO MY OWN CONSCIENCE. I AM ASHAMED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MR. TRUMP IS. HE IS A RACIST. HE IS A CON MAN, AND HE IS A CHEAT. HE WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO KNEW THAT ROGER STONE WAS TALKING WITH JULIAN ASSANGE ABOUT A WIKILEAKS DROP OF DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE E-M E-MAILS. I WILL EXPLAIN EACH IN A FEW MOMENTS. I AM PROVIDING THE COMMITTEE TODAY WITH SEVERAL DOCUMENTS, AND THESE INCLUDE A COPY OF THE CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STAR AND PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. COPIES OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013 THAT HE GAVE TO SUCH INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS DEUTSCH BANK. A COPY OF AN ARTICLE WITH MR. TRUMP’S HANDWRITING ON IT THAT REPORTED ON THE AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF HIMSELF THAT HE ARRANGED FOR THE BIDDER AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN REIMBURSED THE BIDDER FROM THE ACCOUNT OF HIS NONPROFIT CHARITABLE FOUNDATION WITH THE PICTURE NOW HANGING IN ONE OF HIS COUNTRY CLUBS. AND COPIES OF LETTERS I WROTE AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THAT THREATENED HIS HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGES AND THE COLLEGE BOARD NOT TO RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. I HOPE MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY, MY GUILTY PLEA, AND MY WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE STEPS ALONG A PATH OF REDEMPTION THAT WILL RESTORE FAITH IN ME AND HELP THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND OUR PRESIDENT BETTER. BEFORE GOING FURTHER, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EACH MEMBER, TO CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. THE LAST TIME I APPEARED BEFORE CONGRESS, I CAME TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. TODAY I AM HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I LIED TO CONGRESS WHEN MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED THAT WE STOPPED NEGOTIATING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES. IN CONVERSATIONS WE HAD DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AT THE SAME TIME I WAS ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING IN RUSSIA FOR HIM, HE WOULD LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME THERE’S NO RUSSIAN BUSINESS AND THEN GO ON TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY SAYING THE SAME THING. IN HIS WAY, HE WAS TELLING ME TO LIE. THERE WERE AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS AND JANUARY OF 2016 AND THE END OF JUNE WHEN HE WOULD ASK ME, HOW’S IT GOING IN RUSSIA, REFERRING TO THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT. YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVE IT. TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. AND SO I LIED ABOUT IT TOO, BECAUSE MR. TRUMP HAD MADE CLEAR TO ME THROUGH HIS PERSONAL STATEMENTS TO ME THAT WE BOTH KNEW TO BE FALSE AND THROUGH HIS LIES TO THE COUNTRY THAT HE WANTED ME TO LIE. AND HE MADE IT CLEAR TO ME BECAUSE HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEYS REVIEWED MY STATEMENT BEFORE I GAVE IT TO CONGRESS. OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, I HAVE BEEN SMEARED AS A RAT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE TRUTH IS MUCH DIFFERENT, AND LET ME TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS MICHAEL DEAN COHEN, AND I AM A BLESSED HUSBAND OF 24 YEARS AND A FATHER TO AN INCREDIBLE DAUGHTER AND SON. WHEN I MARRIED MY WIFE, I PROMISED HER THAT I WOULD LOVE HER, CHERISH HER, AND I WOULD PROTECT HER. AS MY FATHER SAID COUNTLESS TIMES THROUGHOUT MY CHILDHOOD, YOU MY WIFE, AND YOU MY CHILDREN, ARE THE AIR THAT I BREATHE. TO MY LAURA, AND TO MY SAMI, AND TO MY JAKE, THERE’S NOTHING I WOULDN’T DO TO PROTECT YOU. I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO LIVE A LIFE OF LOYALTY, FRIENDSHIP, GENEROSITY AND COMPASSION, QUALITIES MY PARENTS INGRAINED AND MY SIBLINGS AND ME SINCE CHILDHOOD. MY FATHER SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST THANKS TO THE COMPASSION AND SELFLESS ACTS OF OTHERS. HE WAS HELPED BY MANY WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM’S WAY TO DO WHAT THEY KNEW WAS RIGHT. THAT IS WHY MY FIRST INSTINCT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HELP THOSE IN NEED, AND MOM AND DAD, I AM SORRY I LET YOU DOWN. AS THE MANY PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME BEST WOULD SAY, I AM THE PERSON THEY WOULD CALL AT 3:00 A.M. IF THEY NEEDED HELP. I PROUDLY REMEMBER BEING THE EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR MANY OF MY CHILDREN’S FRIENDS WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS KNEW THAT I WOULD DROP EVERYTHING AND CARE FOR THEM AS IF THEY WERE MY OWN. YET, LAST FALL I PLED GUILTY IN FEDERAL COURT TO FELONIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF, AT THE DIRECTION OF, AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE. FOR THE RECORD, INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE IS PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. IT IS PAINFUL TO ADMIT THAT I WAS MOTIVATED BY AMBITION AT TIMES. IT IS EVEN MORE PAINFUL TO ADMIT THAT MANY TIMES I IGNORED MY CONSCIENCE AND ACTED LOYAL TO A MAN WHEN I SHOULD NOT HAVE. SITTING HERE TODAY, IT SEEMS UNBELIEVABLE THAT I WAS SO MESMERIZED BY DONALD TRUMP THAT I WAS WILLING TO DO THINGS FOR HIM THAT I KNEW WERE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE COME HERE TO APOLOGIZE TO MY FAMILY, TO THE GOVERNMENT, AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ACCORDINGLY, LET ME NOW TELL YOU ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL, WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS AS HIS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND SPECIAL COUNSEL AND THEN AS PERSONAL ATTORNEY WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT. WHEN I FIRST MET MR. TRUMP, HE WAS A SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR, A REAL ESTATE GIANT, AND AN ICON. BEING AROUND MR. TRUMP WAS INTOXICATING. WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS PRESENCE, YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF, THAT YOU WERE SOMEHOW CHANGING THE WORLD. I WOUND UP TOUTING THE TRUMP NARRATIVE FOR OVER A DECADE. THAT WAS MY JOB. ALWAYS STAY ON MESSAGE, ALWAYS DEFEND. IT MONOPOLIZED MY LIFE. AT FIRST I WORKED MOSTLY ON REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS. SHORTLY THEREAFTER MR. TRUMP BROUGHT ME INTO HIS PERSONAL LIFE AND PRIVATE DEALINGS. OVER TIME I SAW HIS TRUE CHARACTER REVEALED. MR. TRUMP IS AN ENIGMA. HE IS COMPLICATED, AS AM I. HE IS BOTH GOOD AND BAD, AS DO WE ALL. BUT THE BAD FAR OUTWEIGHS THE GOOD. SINCE TAKING OFFICE, HE HAS BECOME THE WORST VERSION OF HIMSELF. HE IS CAPABLE OF BEHAVING KINDLY, BUT HE’S NOT KIND. HE IS CAPABLE OF COMMITTING ACTS OF GENEROSITY, BUT HE IS NOT GENEROUS. HE IS CAPABLE OF BEING LOYAL, BUT HE IS FUNDAMENTALLY DISLOYAL. DONALD TRUMP IS A MAN WHO RAN FOR OFFICE TO MAKE HIS BRAND GREAT, NOT TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT. HE HAD NO DESIRE OR INTENTION TO LEAD THIS NATION, ONLY TO MARKET HIMSELF AND TO BUILD HIS WEALTH AND POWER. MR. TRUMP WOULD OFTEN SAY, THIS CAMPAIGN WAS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST INFOMERCIAL IN POLITICAL HISTORY. HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE PRIMARY. HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. THE CAMPAIGN, FOR HIM, WAS ALWAYS A MARKETING OPPORTUNITY. I KNEW EARLY ON IN MY WORK FOR MR. TRUMP THAT HE WOULD DIRECT ME TO LIE TO FURTHER HIS BUSINESS INTERESTS, AND I AM ASHAMED TO SAY THAT WHEN IT WAS FOR A REAL ESTATE MOGUL IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I CONSIDERED IT TRIVIAL. AS THE PRESIDENT, I CONSIDER IT SIGNIFICANT AND DANGEROUS. BUT IN THE MIX, LYING FOR MR. TRUMP WAS NORMALIZED AND NO ONE AROUND HIM QUESTIONED IT. IN FAIRNESS, NO ONE AROUND HIM TODAY QUESTIONS IT EITHER. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT WHETHER MR. TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THE RELEASE OF THE HACKED DOCUMENTS, DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE E-MAIL, AHEAD OF TIME. AND THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I EARLIER STATED, MR. TRUMP KNEW FROM ROGER STONE IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DROP OF E-MAILS. IN JULY OF 2016, DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS SECRETARY ANNOUNCED THAT ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR. TRUMP PUT MR. STONE ON THE SPEAKER PHONE. MR. STONE TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND THAT MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. STONE THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATING TO THE EFFECT, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT. MR. TRUMP IS A RACIST. THE COUNTRY HAS SEEN MR. TRUMP COURT WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND BIGOTS. YOU HAVE HEARD HIM CALL POORER COUNTRIES SHIT HOLES. IN PRIVATE HE IS EVEN WORSE. HE ONCE ASKED ME IF I COULD NAME A COUNTRY RUN BY A BLACK PERSON THAT WASN’T A SHIT HOLE. THIS IS WAS WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WHILE WE WERE ONCE DRIVING THROUGH A STRUGGLING NEIGHBORHOOD IN CHICAGO, HE COMMENTED THAT ONLY BLACK PEOPLE COULD LIVE THAT WAY. HE TOLD ME THAT BLACK PEOPLE WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO STUPID. AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CHEAT. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, I’M GIVING TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY THREE YEARS OF MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013 WHICH HE GAVE TO DEUTSCH BANK TO INQUIRE ABOUT A LOAN TO BUY THE BUFFALO BILLS AND TO FORBES. THESE ARE EXHIBITS 1-A, 1-B, AND 1-C TO MY TESTIMONY. IT WAS MY EXPERIENCE THAT MR. TRUMP INFLATED HIS TOTAL ASSETS WHEN IT SERVED HIS PURPOSES, SUCH AS TRYING TO BE LISTED AMONGST THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN “FORBES,” AND DEFLATED HIS ASSETS TO REDUCE HIS REAL ESTATE TAXES. I’M SHARING WITH YOU TWO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, SIDE BY SIDE, THAT ARE EXAMPLES OF MR. TRUMP INFLATING AND DEFLATING HIS ASSETS, AS I SAID, TO SUIT HIS FINANCIAL INTERESTS. THESE ARE EXHIBIT 2 TO MY TESTIMONY. AS I NOTED, I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY AN ARTICLE HE WROTE ON AND SENT TO ME THAT REPORTED ON AN AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP. THIS IS EXHIBIT 3-A TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO FIND A STRAW BIDDER TO PURCHASE A PORTRAIT OF HIM THAT WAS BEING AUCTIONED OFF AT AN ART HAMPTON’S EVENT. THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO ENSURE THAT THIS PORTRAIT WHICH WAS GOING TO BE AUCTIONED LAST WOULD GO FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE OF ANY PORTRAIT THAT AFTERNOON. THE PORTRAIT WAS PURCHASED BY THE FAKE BIDDER FOR $60,000. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED THE TRUMP FOUNDATION WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION, TO REPAY THE FAKE BIDDER, DESPITE KEEPING THE ART FOR HIMSELF. PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT 3-B TO MY TESTIMONY. AND IT SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE THAT ONE OF MY MORE COMMON RESPONSIBILITIES WAS THAT MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO CALL BUSINESS OWNERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE SMALL BUSINESSES, THAT WERE OWED MONEY FOR THEIR SERVICES AND TOLD THEM THAT NO PAYMENT OR A REDUCED PAYMENT WOULD BE COMING. WHEN I ASKED MR. TRUMP — OR WHEN I TOLD MR. TRUMP OF MY SUCCESS, HE ACTUALLY REVELLED IN IT. AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CON MAN. HE ASKED ME TO PAY OFF AN ADULT FILM STAR WITH WHOM HE HAD AN AFFAIR AND TO LIE ABOUT IT TO HIS WIFE, WHICH I DID. LYING TO THE FIRST LADY IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST REGRETS. SHE IS A KIND, GOOD PERSON, AND I RESPECT HER GREATLY, AND SHE DID NOT DESERVE THAT. I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY A COPY OF THE $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER FROM ME TO MS. CLIFFORD’S ATTORNEY DURING THE CLOSING DAYS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THAT WAS DEMANDED BY MS. CLIFFORD TO MAINTAIN HER SILENCE ABOUT HER AFFAIR WITH MR. TRUMP. THIS IS EXHIBIT 4 TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN. I DID THAT TOO, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR HOW IT WOULD IMPACT ME, MY FAMILY, OR THE PUBLIC. I AM GOING TO JAIL IN PART BECAUSE OF MY DECISION TO HELP MR. TRUMP HIDE THAT PAYMENT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE THEY VOTED A FEW DAYS LATER. AS EXHIBIT 5-A TO MY TESTIMONY SHOWS, I AM PROVIDING A COPY OF A $35,000 CHECK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY SIGNED FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT ON AUGUST 1 OF 2017 WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, PURSUANT TO THE COVERUP WHICH WAS THE BASIS OF MY GUILTY PLEA TO REIMBURSE ME, THE WORD USED BY MR. TRUMP’S TV LAWYER FOR THE ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY I PAID ON HIS BEHALF. THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF 11 CHECK INSTALLMENTS THAT WAS PAID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG. SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, EXHIBIT 5-B. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THUS WROTE A PERSONAL CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. YOU CAN FIND THE DETAILS OF THAT SCHEME DIRECTED BY MR. TRUMP IN THE PLEADINGS IN THE U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SO PICTURE THIS SCENE, IN FEBRUARY OF 2017, ONE MONTH INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, I’M VISITING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT’S TRULY AWE-INSPIRING. HE’S SHOWING ME ALL AROUND AND POINTING TO DIFFERENT PAINTINGS, AND HE SAYS TO ME SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING. THEY WERE FEDEXED FROM NEW YORK AND IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THAT TO GET THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE SYSTEM. AS HE PROMISED, I RECEIVED THE FIRST CHECK FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF $70,000 NOT LONG THEREAFTER. WHEN I SAY CON MAN, I’M TALKING ABOUT A MAN WHO DECLARES HIMSELF BRILLIANT BUT DIRECTED ME TO THREATEN HIS HIGH SCHOOL, HIS COLLEGES, AND THE COLLEGE BOARD TO NEVER RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. AS I MENTIONED, I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY COPIES OF A LETTER I SENT AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THREATENING THESE SCHOOLS WITH CIVIL AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS IF MR. TRUMP’S GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES WERE EVER DISCLOSED WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION. THESE ARE UNDER EXHIBIT 6. THE IRONY WASN’T LOST ON ME AT THE TIME THAT MR. TRUMP IN 2011 HAD STRONGLY CRITICIZED PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR NOT RELEASING HIS GRADES. AS YOU CAN SEE IN EXHIBIT 7, MR. TRUMP DECLARED, LET HIM SHOW HIS RECORDS, AFTER CALLING PRESIDENT OBAMA A TERRIBLE STUDENT. THE SAD FACT IS THAT I NEVER HEARD MR. TRUMP SAY ANYTHING IN PRIVATE THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE HE LOVED OUR NATION OR WANTED TO MAKE IT BETTER. IN FACT, HE DID THE OPPOSITE. WHEN TELLING ME IN 2008 OR 2009 THAT HE WAS CUTTING EMPLOYEE SALARIES IN HALF, INCLUDING MINE, HE SHOWED ME WHAT HE CLAIMED WAS A $10 MILLION IRS TAX REFUND AND HE SAID THAT HE COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE GOVERNMENT WAS FOR GIVING SOMEONE LIKE HIM THAT MUCH MONEY BACK. DURING THE CAMPAIGN, MR. TRUMP SAID THAT HE DID NOT CONSIDER VIETNAM VETERAN AND PRISONER OF WAR SENATOR JOHN McCAIN TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HE LIKES PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T CAPTURED. AT THE SAME TIME, MR. TRUMP TASKED ME TO HANDLE THE NEGATIVE PRESS SURROUNDING HIS MEDICAL DEFERMENT FROM THE VIETNAM DRAFT. MR. TRUMP CLAIMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF A BONE SPUR, BUT WHEN I ASKED FOR MEDICAL RECORDS, HE GAVE ME NONE AND SAID THAT THERE WAS NO SURGERY. HE TOLD ME NOT TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BY REPORTERS BUT RATHER OFFER SIMPLY THE FACT THAT HE RECEIVED A MEDICAL DEFERMENT. HE FINISHED THE CONVERSATION WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT. YOU THINK I’M STUPID? I’M NOT GOING TO VIETNAM. I FIND IT IRONIC, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT YOU ARE IN VIETNAM RIGHT NOW NOW. AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT WHETHER I KNOW OF DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT MR. TRUMP OR HIS CAMPAIGN COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA. I DO NOT. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BUT I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS. SOME TIME IN THE SUMMER OF 2017 I READ ALL OVER THE MEDIA THAT THERE HAD BEEN A MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER IN JUNE OF 2016 INVOLVING DON JR. AND OTHERS FROM THE CAMPAIGN WITH RUSSIANS INCLUDING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND AN E-MAIL SETTING UP THE MEETING WITH THE SUBJECT LINE, DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON. SOMETHING CLICKED IN MY MIND. I REMEMBERED BEING IN A ROOM WITH MR. TRUMP, PROBABLY IN EARLY JUNE OF 2016, WHEN SOMETHING PECULIAR HAPPENED. DON TRUMP JR. CAME INTO THE ROOM AND WALKED BEHIND HIS FATHER’S DESK WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF WAS UNUSUAL. PEOPLE DIDN’T JUST WALK BEHIND MR. TRUMP’S DESK TO TALK TO HIM. I RECALL DON JR. LEANING OVER TO HIS FATHER AND SPEAKING IN A LOW VOICE WHICH I COULD CLEARLY HEAR AND SAYING, THE MEETING IS ALL SET. AND I REMEMBER MR. TRUMP SAYING, OKAY, GOOD, LET ME KNOW. WHAT STRUCK ME AS I LOOKED BACK AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN DON JR. AND HIS FATHER WAS FIRST THAT MR. TRUMP HAD FREQUENTLY TOLD ME AND OTHERS THAT HIS SON DON JR. HAD THE WORST JUDGMENT OF ANYONE IN THE WORLD, AND ALSO THAT DON JR. WOULD NEVER SET UP ANY MEETING OF SIGNIFICANCE ALONE AND CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT CHECKING WITH HIS FATHER. I ALSO KNEW THAT NOTHING WENT ON IN TRUMP WORLD, ESPECIALLY THE CAMPAIGN, WITHOUT MR. TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL. SO I CONCLUDED THAT DON JR. WAS REFERRING TO THAT JUNE 2016 TRUMP TOWER MEETING ABOUT DIRT ON HILLARY WITH THE RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHEN HE WALKED BEHIND HIS DAD’S DESK THAT DAY. AND THAT MR. TRUMP KNEW THAT WAS THE MEETING DON JR. WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAID, THAT’S GOOD, LET ME KNOW. OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO, I HAVE DONE SOME REAL SOUL SEARCHING, AND I SEE NOW THAT MY AMBITION AND THE INTOXICATION OF TRUMP POWER HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THE BAD DECISIONS IN PART THAT I MADE. AND TO YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, AND RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE AND THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE, I AM SORRY FOR MY LIES AND FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. AND TO OUR NATION, I AM SORRY FOR ACTIVELY WORKING TO HIDE FROM YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP WHEN YOU NEEDED IT MOST. FOR THOSE WHO QUESTION MY MOTIVES FOR BEING HERE TODAY, I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE LIED, BUT I AM NOT A LIAR. I HAVE DONE BAD THINGS BUT I AM NOT A BAD MAN. I HAVE FIXED THINGS BUT I AM NO LONGER YOUR FIXER, MR. TRUMP. AND I AM GOING TO PRISON AND HAVE SHATTERED THE SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT I TRIED SO HARD TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY. MY TESTIMONY CERTAINLY DOES NOT DIMINISH THE PAIN THAT I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS. NOTHING CAN DO THAT. AND I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR, NOR WOULD I ACCEPT A PARDON FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND BY COMING TODAY, I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY TO BE THE TAR GET OF PERSONAL, SCURRILOUS ATTACKS BY THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LAWYER, TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME FROM APPEARING BEFORE THIS PANEL. MR. TRUMP CALLED ME A RAT FOR CHOOSING TO TELL THE TRUTH, MUCH LIKE A MOBSTER WOULD DO WHEN ONE OF HIS MEN DECIDES TO COOPERATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. AS EXHIBIT 8 SHOWS, I HAVE PROVIDED THE COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF TWEETS THAT MR. TRUMP POSTED, ATTACKING ME AND MY FAMILY. ONLY SOMEONE BURYING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE, ENCOURAGEMENT TO SOMEONE TO DO HARM TO ME AND MY FAMILY. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT HE WOULD ENGAGE IN VICIOUS, FALSE ATTACKS ON MY FAMILY AND UNLEASH HIS TV LAWYER TO DO THE SAME. I HOPE THIS COMMITTEE AND ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AS A NATION, WE SHOULD NOT TOLERATE ATTEMPTS TO INTIMIDATE WITNESSES BEFORE CONGRESS AND ATTACKS ON FAMILY ARE OUT OF BOUNDS AND NOT ACCEPTABLE. I WISH TO ESPECIALLY THANK SPEAKER PELOSI FOR HER STATEMENTS. THAT’S EXHIBIT 9. TO PROTECT THIS INSTITUTION AND ME, AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, ADAM SCHIFF, AND YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, FOR LIKEWISE DEFENDING THE INSTITUTION AND MY FAMILY AGAINST THE ATTACKS BY MR. TRUMP, AND ALSO THE MANY REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE ADMONISHED THE PRESIDENT AS WELL. I AM NOT A PERFECT MAN. I HAVE DONE THINGS I AM NOT PROUD OF, AND I WILL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY ACTIONS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. BUT TODAY I GET TO DECIDE THE EXAMPLE THAT I SET FOR MY CHILDREN AND HOW I ATTEMPT TO CHANGE HOW HISTORY WILL REMEMBER ME. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE PAST BUT I CAN DO RIGHT BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HERE TODAY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION, AND I’M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS.>>30 MINUTES OF TESTIMONY FROM MICHAEL COHEN, UNLIKE ANY WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS. THE FORMER LAWYER FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DIRECT, PERSONAL ATTACK, A BROADSIDE ATTACK ON THE PRESIDENT ON HIS CHARACTER, SAYING THAT HE WAS DIRECTED TO BREAK THE LAW AND ALSO CALLING THE PRESIDENT A RACIST, ALSO TALKED ABOUT RUSSIA. HE’S GOING TO NOW BE FACING QUESTIONS FIRST FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, ELIJAH CUMMINGS.>>YOU ARE A LAWYER, RIGHT?>>AS OF YESTERDAY , I AM NO LONGER A LAWYER. I HAVE LOST MY LAW LICENSE, AMONGST OTHER THINGS. >>BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THIS MOMENT?>>I MOST CERTAINLY DO, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>I WANT YOU TO REALLY HEAR THIS, MR. COHEN. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE LYING TO THIS CONGRESS BY ANYBODY. WE’RE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?>>I DO.>>THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO MADE NUMEROUS STATEMENTS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE INACCURATE. FOR EXAMPLE, HE SAID HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO MS. CLIFFORD, AND HIS 2017 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM SAID HE NEVER OWED MONEY TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR THOSE PAYMENTS. YET, IN YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. COHEN, YOU SAID THAT YOU MET WITH THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN FEBRUARY OF 2017 AND DISCUSSED HIS PLANS TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR MONEY YOU PAID. YOU SAY HE TOLD YOU, AND I QUOTE, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING. IS THAT ACCURATE? AND WAS THAT IN THE OVAL OFFICE?>>THE STATEMENT IS ACCURATE, BUT THE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE REIMBURSEMENT OCCURRED LONG BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT. >>WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT.>>BACK IN 2017 — ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE. IN 2016, PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, I WAS CONTACTED BY KEITH DAVIDSON, WHO IS THE ATTORNEY — WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR MS. CLIFFORD, STORMY DANIELS, AND AFTER SEVERAL ROUNDS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT PURCHASING HER LIFE RIGHTS FOR $130,000, WHAT I DID EACH AND EVERY TIME IS GO STRAIGHT INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AND DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH HIM. WHEN IT WAS ULTIMATELY DETERMINED — THIS WAS DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION — THAT MR. TRUMP WAS GOING TO PAY THE $130,000, IN THE OFFICE WITH ME WAS ALLEN WEISSELBERG, THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. HE ACKNOWLEDGED TO ALLEN THAT HE WAS GOING TO PAY THE $130,000 AND THAT ALLEN AND I SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. SO, YES, SIR, I STAND BY THE STATEMENT THAT I GAVE THAT THERE WAS A HISTORY TO IT.>>IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU SAID YOU BROUGHT SOME CHECKS, IS THAT RIGHT? YOU SAID YOU BROUGHT SOME CHECKS?>>YES, SIR. >>LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF THESE. THIS FROM THE TRUMP TRUST THAT HOLDS THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESSES, CAN YOU TELL ME WHO SIGNED THIS CHECK?>>I BELIEVE THAT THE TOP SIGNATURE IS DONALD TRUMP JR. AND THAT THE BOTTOM SIGNATURE I BELIEVE IS ALLEN WEISSELBERG’S.>>AND CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATE OF THAT CHECK?>>MARCH>>THE DATE OF THE CHECK IS AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP HELD HIS BIG PRESS CONFERENCE CLAIMING THAT HE GAVE UP CONTROL OF HIS BUSINESSES. . HOW COULD THE PRESIDENT ARRANGED FOR YOU TO GET THIS CHECK IF HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY NO ROLE IN HIS BUSINESS?>>BECAUSE THE PAYMENTS WERE DESIGNED TO PAID OVER THE COURSE OF 12 MONTHS AND IT WAS DECLARED TO BE A RETAINER FOR SERVICES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED FOR THE YEAR. OF 2017. >>WAS THERE A RETAINER AGREEMENT SF. >>THERE WAS NO RETAINER AGREEMENT. >>WAS DON JUNIOR OR MR. ALLEN WEISSELBERG MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT?>>MR. ALLEN WEISSELBERG, FOR SURE, ABOUT THE ENTIRE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION AND DON JUNIOR WOULD HAVE CURSORY INFORMATION.>>HERE’S ANOTHER ONE. THIS ONE APPEARS TO BE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF, IS THAT HIS SIGNATURE?>>THAT’S DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE.>>LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. DONALD TRUMP WROTE YOU A CHECK OUT OF HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT WHILE HE WAS SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO MS. CLIFFORD, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TODAY?>>YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>ONE FINAL QUESTION, THE PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS. HIS ETHICS FILING SAID HE OWED NOTHING TO YOU. BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS PAYING FOR?>>THERE WAS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND AND I TRULY BELIEVE THERE’S NO DOUBT IN THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.>>AND THESE NEW DOCUMENTS APPEAR TO CORROBORATE WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US. WITH THAT I’LL YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN — >>I’LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND I MEET ONE DAY WHILE WE’RE IN THE COURTHOUSE AND I WILL TAKE YOU FOR EVERY PENNY YOU STILL DON’T HAVE AND I WILL COME AFTER YOUR DAILY BEAST AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT YOU POSSIBLY KNOW, I’M WARNING YOU, TREAD VERY LIGHTLY. WHAT I’M GOING TO DO IS GOING TO BE EFFING DISGUSTING. WHO SAID THAT. >>I DID.>>DID YOU SAY THAT MR. COHEN IN YOUR TESTIMONY ON PAGE 2, YOU SAID YOU DID THINGS FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT HIM, WAS THAT STATEMENT THAT I JUST READ THAT YOU ADMITTED TO SAYING, DID YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>I DID IT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR, IVANKA TRUMP AND EIC TRUMP.>>IN YOUR SENTENCING STATEMENT BACK IN DECEMBER IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE, YOU SAID THIS, MR. COHEN, MY WEAKNESS CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS A BLIND LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP. A BLIND LOYALTY THAT LED ME TO CHOOSE A PATH OF DARKNESS, IS THAT ACCURATE, MR. COHEN IN. >>I WROTE THAT. >>YOU WROTE THAT AND SAID THAT IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE, IS THAT RIGHT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>WHEN YOU FILED A FALSE TAX RETURN IN 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, AND 2016, WAS ALL OF THAT OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT. >>NO IT WAS NOT. >>WHEN YOU FAILED TO REPORT INCOME TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, DID YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>NO, I DID NOT.>>WHEN YOU FAILED TO PAY $1.4 MILLION IN TAXES TO THE U.S. TREASURY, WAS THAT OUT OF SOME BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?>>IT WAS NOT. BUT THE NUMBER WAS 1.38 AND CHANGE. I HAVE PAID THAT MONEY BACK TO THE IRS.>>I THINK I THE AMERICAN PEOPLE APPRECIATE THAT 1.3. >>I ALSO LIKED TO SAY IT WAS OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS. APPROXIMATELY 260,000 A YEAR.>>WHEN YOU MADE FALSE STATEMENTS TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CONCERNING A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT, IN 2013, 2014 AND 2015, YOU PLED GUILTY TO MAKING THOSE FALSE STATEMENTS TO THOSE BANKS, WAS THAT ALL DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, IT WAS NOT.>>HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? WHEN YOU CREATED THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT, WOMEN FOR COHEN, TO POST TWEETS LIKE THIS ONE, IN A WORLD OF LIES, DECEPTION AND FRAUD, WE APPRECIATE THIS HONEST GUY AT MICHAEL COHEN HP #TGIF. #HANDSOME. #SEXY. WAS THAT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>I DIDN’T ACTUALLY SET THAT UP, IT WAS SET UP BY A YOUNG LADY WHO WORKED FOR RED FINCH. WE WERE HAVING FUN.>>DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>THAT WAS NOT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. >>WAS IT A FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT?>>NO, IT WAS A REAL TWITTER ACCOUNT. IT EXISTED. >>IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY WHO WORKED FOR THE FIRM. AGAIN, SIR, WE WERE HAVING FUN DURING A STRESSFUL TIME.>>THE POINT IS, MR. COHEN, DID YOU LIE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT OR HELP MYSELF?>>I’M NOT SURE HOW THAT HELPED ME, SIR. MORE THAN HALF OF PEOPLE ON THAT SITE ARE MEN. >>HERE’S THE POINT, MR. CHAIRMAN GAVE YOU A 30-MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT AND YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. FRANKLY, YOU DON’T TAKE MY WOD FOR IT. COHEN DID CRIMES THAT WERE MARKED BY A PATTERN OF DESEMGS AND PERMEATED HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE. THESE CRIMES WERE DISTINCT IN THEIR HARMS, THEY EACH INVOLVE DECEPTION AND MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. A PATTERN OF DECEPTION, PERSONAL GREED AND YOU GOT 30 MINUTES OF AN OPENING STATEMENT WHERE YOU TRASHED THE PENALRESIDENT OF TH UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>TEN YEARS.>>YOU SAID ALL THESE BAD THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT YET YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS? IF IT’S THAT BAD, I CAN SEE YOU WORKING FOR MAYBE TEN DAYS, BUT YOU WORKED FOR HIM TEN YEARS, MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE?>>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE.>>THAT’S THE POINT IT IS, MR. COHEN. >>IT ISN’T. >>SIR, I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS OFFERED JOBS, I CAN TELL YOU A STORY OF MR. TRUMP REALING OUT REINCE BECAUSE I DIDN’T TAKE A JOB WHERE MR. TRUMP WANTED ME.>>MR. COHEN, YOU WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT — >>ONE SECOND, WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME, I BROUGHT A LAWYER IN WHO PRODUCED A MENTAL ROW AS TO WHY I SHOULD NOT GO IN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. IN ORDER TO HANDLE THE MATTERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN MY OPENING IT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ME NOT TO GO IN AND EVERY PRESIDENT HAD A PERSONAL ATTORNEY. >>HERE’S WHAT I SEE, I SEE A GUY WHO WORKED FOR TEN YEARS AND TRASHING HIM FOR TEN YEARS, DIDN’T GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOW YOU’RE BEHAVING JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO’S GOT FIRED OR DIDN’T GET THE JOB THEY WANTED. LIKE ANDY McCABE, LIKE JAMES COMEY. THAT’S WHAT I SEE HERE TODAY.>>MR. JORDAN, ALL I WANTED WAS WHAT I GOT — TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY OF THE PRESIDENT. TO ENJOY THE SENIOR YEAR OF MY SON IN HIGH SCHOOL AND WAITING FOR MY DAUGHTER WHO’S GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE TO COME BACK TO NEW YORK. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.>>EXACT WHAT I WANT?>>WANTED. I RECEIVED EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED.>>GENTLEMEN, TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>MRZ WASSERMAN SCHULTZ.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I SERVED AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE AT THE TIME OF HACKS. WHEN RUSSIANS WEAPONIZED THE MESSAGES IT STOLEN. MY QUESTIONS AREN’T ABOUT THE HARM DONE TO ANY INDIVIDUAL BY WIKILEAKS BUT IT’S ABOUT THE LIKELY HARM TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OUR DEMOCRACY. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT WILL CONNECT MORE OF THESE DOTS IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF WIKILEAKS’ RELEASE OF THE DNC’S E-MAIL. >>Reporter: I CAN’T ANSWER THAT IN A YES OR NO. HE HAD ADVANCED NOTICE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS BUT AT NO TIME DID I HEAR THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT THOSE E-MAILS WERE GOING TO BE. >>BUT YOU DO TESTIFY TODAY THAT HE HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR IMMINENT RELEASE?>>THAT’S WHAT I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY. >>AND HE SHARED THAT OUTCOME?>>YES, MA’AM. >>DID WERE EERIC, DON JUNIOR AND IVANKA STILL INVOLVED. >>THE COMPANY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL.>>IF MR. TRUMP AND HIS DAUGHTER IVANKA AND SON DON JUNIOR INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN-TRUMP TOWER DEAL, CONFLICTED WITH A FOREIGN ADVERSARY IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION?>>YES. >>BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT, HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. STONE, DO YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZED THEM TO MAKE CONTACT WITH WIKILEAKS TO MAKE. >>NO.>>WAS HE A FREE AGENT REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, HE WAS A FREE AGENT.>>A FREE AT THE THAT WAS REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE?>>CORRECT. HE FREQUENTLY REACHED OUT TO MR. TRUMP AND MR. TRUMP WAS VERY HAPPY TO TAKE HIS CALLS. IT WAS FREE SERVICE.>>ROGER STONE SAID HE NEVER SPOKE WITH MR. TRUMP ABOUT WIKILEAKS, HOW CAN WE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU’RE SAYING?>>I DON’T KNOW. I SUSPECT THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU’RE SEEKING.>>MOVING ON TO A LITTLE LATER IN 2016, A MAJOR WIKILEAKS’ DUMP HAPPENED HOURS AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLY WOOTHD TAPE, DO YOU BELIEVE OR ARE YOU AWARE MR. TRUMP SIGNALED THIS E-MAIL DUMP?>>I’M AWARE OF THAT. I WASN’T IN THE COUNTRY OF THE BILLY BUSH TAPE. I WAS IN LONDON VISITING MY DAUGHTER. >>KNOWING HOW MR. TRUMP OPERATES, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD COOPERATE OR COLLUDE WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY, IS HE CAPABLE OF THAT?>>IT CALLS ON SO MUCH SPECULATION.>>I UNDERSTAND. YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE — >>MR. TRUMP IS ALL ABOUT WINNING. HE’LL DO WHAT’S NECESSARY TO WIN. >>IN YOUR OPINION AND YOUR EXPERIENCE, WOULD HE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COOPERATE OR COLLUDE WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>YES.>>BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, WOULD MR. TRUMP OR DID HE LIE ABOUT COLLUDING AND COORDINATING WITH THE RUSSIANS AT ANY POINT DURING THE CAMPAIGN?>>SO AS I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY, I WOULDN’T USE THE WORD “COLLUDING,” WAS THERE SOMETHING ODD ABOUT THE BACK AND FORTH PRAISE WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN? YES. BUT I’M NOT REALLY SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN TERMS OF COLLUSION. I WAS NOT PART OF THE CAMPAIGN. I DON’T KNOW THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT MR. TRUMP HAD WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS. THERE’S JUST SO MANY DOTS THAT ALL SEEM TO LEAD TO THE SAME DIRECTION. >>FINALLY, BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES, MR. COHEN, THE CAMPAIGN AND THE ENTIRE TRUMP ORGANIZATION APPEARED TO BE FILTHY WITH RUSSIAN CONTACT, THERE ARE RUSSIAN BUSINESS CONTACTS, THERE ARE CAMPAIGN RUSSIAN CONTACTS, THERE ARE LIES ABOUT ALL OF THOSE CONTACTS AND THEN WE HAVE ROGER STONE INFORMING THE PRESIDENT JUST BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION THAT WIKILEAKS WAS GOING TO DROP DOCUMENTS IN THE PUBLIC ARENA THAT WE KNEW AT THAT POINT WERE HACKED AND STOLEN BY RUSSIA FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. >>THE GENTLELADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>GIVEN ALL THOSE CONNECTIONS, IS IT LIKELY THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS FULLY AWARE AND HAD EVERY INTENT OF WORKING WITH RUSSIA TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT HE COULD WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>LET ME SAY THAT THIS IS A MATTER THAT’S CURRENTLY BEING HANDLED BY THE HOUSE SELECT AND SENATE SELECT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES. I’D RATHER NOT ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION OTHER THAN JUST TO TELL YOU THAT MR. TRUMP’S DESIRE TO WIN WOULD HAVE HIM WORK WITH ANYONE AND ONE THING THAT I HAD SAID IN MY STATEMENT THAT WHEN IT CAME TO THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT, IT WAS WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE ELECTION. SO, THIS WAS JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE, PROMISED AMERICAN PEOPLE A FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ISSUED A GAG ORDER TO TELL MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE THAT WE CAN AND CANNOT TALK ABOUT. MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE THEY WANT THE TRUTH AND TRANSPARENCY, YET THE DEMOCRATS WITNESSED TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS TODAY IS NONE OTHER THAN A SCORNED MAN WHO’S GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. LET THAT SINGH IN. HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. IF YOU READ THE SENTENCING REPORT ON MR. COHEN, WORDS LIKE DECEPTIVE AND GREEDY ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THAT REPORT. IT PAINTS A PICTURE OF A BULLY WHO CAN’T TELL THE TRUTH WHETHER IT’S ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OR ABOUT HIS OWN PERSONAL LIFE. BUT TODAY, HE’S THE MAJORITY PARTY’S STAR WITNESS. IF THE DEMOCRATS WERE AFTER THE TRUTH, THEY’VE HAD AN HONEST PERSON HERE TESTIFYING. LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE RESTRICTED TOPICS. FIRST TOPIC IN YOUR LIMITED SCOPE THAT I CAN ASK MR. COHEN IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. DIDN’T MR. COHEN PLEAD GUILTY TO LYING TO BANKS ABOUT HIS PERSONAL FINANCES? WE’RE ASKING A GUY GOING TO JAIL FOR LYING ABOUT HIS DEBTS TO COMMENT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. HE’S THE EXPERT. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR NEXT COUPLE OF TOPICS SAY I CAN ASK MR. COHEN ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE WITH CAMPAIGN DISCLOSURE. DIDN’T MR. COHEN ON TWO OCCASIONS BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW WITH HIS OWN DONATIONS? AGAIN, THE STAR WITNESS IS A GUY WHO BROKE COMPLIANCE LAWS HIMSELF. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU GRACIOUSLY ALLOW US TO ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. COHEN ON THE PRESIDENT’S DEALS WITH IRS AND TAX LAW. YOUR STAR WITNESS HERE BROKE THE LAW WITH REGARDS WITH THE IRS ON AT LEAST FIVE TIMES. HE’S THE BEST WITNESS YOU GOT? NEXT UP, WITH PERMISSION OF THE CHAIRMAN, I GET TO ASK MR. COHEN ABOUT THE HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THE PRESIDENT’S DEALS. THE WITNESS LIED TO MULTIPLE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO PAY OFF OTHER LONES AND HE’S GOING TO BE THE EXPERT ON BUSINESS PRACTICES? OBVIOUSLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE WITNESS MAY PRODUCE DOCUMENTS THAT INCRIMINATE THE PRESIDENT. YET, HE LIES TO BANKS. DOCUMENTS THAT HE FORGED. NOTHING HE SAYS OR PRODUCES HAS ANY CREDIBILITY, APPARENTLY HE EVEN LIED ABOUT DELIVERING HIS OWN CHILD WHICH HIS WIFE HAD TO CORRECT THE RECORD. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HOW ON EARTH IS THIS WITNESS CREDIBLE? WITH ALL THE LIES AND DECEPTION, THE SELF-SERVING FRAUD IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE MAJORITY PARTY DOING HERE? NO ONE CAN SEE THIS GUY’S CREDIBLE. HE’LL SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS OWN PERSONAL GOALS. HE’S A FAKE WITNESS AND HIS PRESENCE HERE IS A TRAVESTY. I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH THIS. I KNOW THE PEOPLE BACK IN TENNESSEE WILL. WITH THAT STATEMENT, SIR, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESS. WITH YOUR LOSS OF YOUR LAW LICENSE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD BEEN DISBARRED. WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INCOME IN THE FUTURE?>>I DON’T EXPECT I’M GOING TO HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME WHEN I’M IN FEDERAL PENITENTIARY. >>IS THERE A BOOK COMING?>>I HAVE NO BOOK DEAL. I’D LIKE TO TURN AROUND AND CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT ON — >>LET ME ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION — >>NO INDIVIDUAL — >>WHO PAID YOUR EXPENSES TO BE HERE TODAY?>>WHO PAID MY EXPENSES? I PAID MY EXPENSE AND MR. CHAIRMAN I’D LIKE TO YIELD MY REMAINING TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU TALK TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. >>SEVEN. >>DID THEY TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY? HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL BETWEEN SENTENCING AND TODAY? YOU TALKED TO THEM SEVEN TIMES IN THE SENTENCING MEMOS THAT WERE IN FRONT OF THE COURT BACK IN DECEMBER. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED TO SPECIAL COUNSEL SINCE THEN, UP TO TODAY’S — >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION. >>I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>>MR. COHEN, IN YOUR TEN YEARS OF WORKING FOR DONALD TRUMP, DID HE CONTROL EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION? DID YOU HAVE TO GET HIS PERMISSION IN ADVANCE AND REPORT BACK AFTER EVERY MEETING OF ANY IMPORTANCE?>>YES. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, FROM WHETHER IT WAS A RESPONSE AS THE DAILY BEAST STORY THAT YOU REFERRED TO RANKING MEMBER THAT DID NOT GO THROUGH MR. TRUMP WITH HIS APPROVAL. AND SIGN OFF AS IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENTS.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID THE PRESIDENT, MICHAEL, ASK YOU OR DIRECT YOU TO TRY AND REACH SETTLEMENTS WITH WOMEN IN 2015 AND 2016?>>I’M SORRY, MA’AM, I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. I’D HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO RECOLLECT. IT’S CERTAINLY THE TWO THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. >>AND, WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT DID NOT PROVIDE THE ACCURATE INFORMATION IN HIS 2017 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM? WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO HIDE? HE CORRECTED OTHER FORMS. BUT HE DIDN’T CORRECT THIS ONE.>>THE PAYMENTS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FUNDS THAT I EXTENDED ON HIS BEHALF.>>CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE?>>WELL, GOING BACK TO THE STORY AS I STATED WHEN ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND I LEFT THE OFFICE, WE WENT TO HIS OFFICE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON HOW THE MONEY WAS GOING TO BE WIRED TO THE INTERESTS ON A LAWYER’S ACCOUNT FOR KEITH DAVIDSON IN CALIFORNIA, I HAD ASKED ALLEN TO USE HIS MONEY. DIDN’T WANT TO USE MINE. HE SAID HE COULDN’T. WE THEN DECIDED HOW ELSE WE COULD DO IT. HE ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT KNOW OF ANYONE WHO WANTS TO A PARTY, OR SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO BECOME A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE GOLF CLUBS AND I ALSO DON’T HAVE ANYONE INTERESTED IN THAT. IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS DOWN TO THE WIRE. IT WAS EITHER WE — SOMEBODY WIRED THE FUNDS AND PURCHASE THE LIFE RIGHTS TO THE STORY FROM MS. CLIFFORD. OR IT WAS GOING TO END UP BEING SOLD TO TELEVISION AND THAT WOULD HAVE EM BARRASSED THE PRESIDENT AND INTERFERED THE ELECTION. >>THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER AMENDED HIS 2017 FORM TO THIS DAY AND WHILE YOU’RE FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF GOING TO JAIL, HE IS NOT. >>WELL, I BELIEVE THEY AMENDED A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM AND THERE’S A FOOTNOTE BURIED SOMEWHERE.>>CAN YOU DESCRIBE, MICHAEL, TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CATCH AND KILL?>>CATCH AND KILL IS A METHOD THAT EXISTS WHEN YOU’RE WORKING WITH A NEWS OUTLET AND IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS AMI, NATIONAL ENQUIRER, DAVID PICKER AND OTHERS, WHERE THEY WOULD CONTACT ME OR MR. TRUMP OR SOMEONE AND STATE THERE’S A STORY THAT’S PERCOLATING OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CONTACT THAT INDIVIDUAL AND YOU PURCHASE THE RIGHTS TO THAT STORY FROM THEM.>>YOU PRACTICED THIS FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THESE CATCH AND KILL EPISODES. BUT THESE CATCH AND KILL SCENARIOS EXISTED BETWEEN DAVID PICKER AND MR. TRUMP LONG BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR HIM IN 2007. >>MICHAEL, CAN YOU SUGGEST WHO ELSE TO TALK ABOUT FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION?>>I BELIEVE DAVID PECKER, BARRY LEVIN OF AMI AS WELL. ALLEN WEISSELBERG. TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS WELL.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A STORY OF REDEMPTION.>>THANK YOU, MA’AM. >>MR. COMBER. >>IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU STATED THAT YOU BEGAN WORK FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS A LAWYER DEALING WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>I SERVED THE DIRECTOR OF TWO DIFFERENT BANKS. I HAVE SEEN LOAN APPLICATIONS. I WANTED TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION QUESTIONS TO SEE HOW YOU OPERATE. ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS YOU LIED TO BANKS TO SECURE LOANS BY FALSELY STATING THE AMOUNT OF DEBT YOU WERE CARRYING. . MR. COHEN, WAS IT DONALD TRUMP’S FAULT THAT YOU KNOWINGLY COMMITTED A CRIME OF DECEPTION TO DEFRAUD A BANK? ZMRO NO, IT’S NOT. >>WAS THAT FRAUDULENT LOAN YOU OBTAINED FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION OR FOR YOU PERSONALLY?>>IT WOULD BE FOR ME. I’M NOT FAMILIAR TO WHAT LOAN YOU’RE REFERRING TO. I’D LIKE TO RESPOND. WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT — NO. >>SUMMER HOME. >>I NEVER PURCHASED A SUMMER HOME.>>NO INDIVIDUAL OR NO BANK IN THE 22 YEARS THAT I HAVE HAD LOAN HAVE EVER LOST A DOLLAR WITH ME.>>THE BANKS USUALLY FIND OUT IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DECEIVE THEM.>>IN 22 YEARS I HAVE NO MONEY THAT’S EVER BEEN OWED TO ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY BANK. >>DID YOUR BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT CAUSE YOU TO DEFRAUD THE BANK — >>SIR, I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT.>>LET’S DIG DEEPER ON THAT ON THE BANK FRAUD. >>ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE $21 MILLION, MONTHLY EXPENSES ACCORDING TO SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. MR. COHEN, YOU BEING A LAWYER, SURELY YOU KNEW YOU WERE BREAKING THE LAW, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT. >>I’M NOT A CPA AND I PLED GUILTY. I’M GOING TO PRISON AS A RESULT OF IT.>>BECAUSE YOU’RE A CON?>>NO, SIR.>>BECAUSE I PLED GUILTY AND I’M GOING TO BE DOING THE TIME. I HAVE CAUSED TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS PAIN TO MY FAMILY. I TAKE NO HAPPINESS IN THIS — >>WHEN THE BANK FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LIABILITIES THAT YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE YOU LIED AGAIN TO THE BANK, ACCORDING TO SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND SAID IT HAD TO BEEN EXPUNGED WHEN YOU JUST SHIFTED IT TO ANOTHER BANK. ACCORDING TO INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED, YOUR INTENT TO DEFRAUD A BANK WAS FOR THE DESIRE TO PURCHASE THE SUMMER HOME?>>NO, SIR. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF AN EQUITY LINE. CONSIDERING I HAD 50% LOAN TO VALUE ASSETS. IT WAS A PRE-EXISTING LINE OF CREDIT THAT EXISTED YEARS BEFORE THE DATE THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO WHERE THIS IS ALL SURROUNDING NEW YORK CITY TAXI MEDALLIONS.>>YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE LIABILITIES ESPECIALLY $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES THAT’S IN FACT FRAUD?>>EXCEPT EVEN WITH THE $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES — >>HOW MUCH WAS IT?>>THE MEDALLIONS WERE WORTH $45 MILLION. >>YOU CALLED DONALD TRUMP A CHEAT IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL YOURSELF?>>A FOOL.>>YOU’RE CALLING — WELL, NO COMMENT ON THAT. WE WERE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS CAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH. I HOPE AS THIS COMMITTEE MOVES FORWARD WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBPOENA WITNESSES THAT WE SUBPOENA WITNESSES THAT ARE NOT RECENTLY DISBARRED, ARE NOT CONVICTED FELONS AND WITNESSES THAT HAVEN’T COMMITTED BANK FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD. THAT’S HOW WE’RE GOING TO DETERMINE THE TRUTH. I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER. >>I WOULD MAKE ONE POINT, WE HAD A FIVE-MINUTE DEBATE WHERE MR. COHEN WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FOUND, WHAT THE JUDGE FOUND HE WAS ACTUALLY GUILTY OF COMMITTING BANK FRAUD. MR. COHEN’S INSTINCT TO BLAME OTHERS. HIS REMORSE IS NONEXISTENCE.>>MR. JORDAN, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I PLED GUILTY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.>>SHAME ON YOU, MR. JORDAN. THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. >>MR. CHAIRMAN — >>WHAT I SAID, I TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I WAS DOING WAS EXPLAINING TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HIS FACTS ARE INACCURATE. I STILL — I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY MISTAKES. ALL RIGHT, I’M REMORSEFUL. AND I’M GOING TO PRISON. I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY WIFE AND FAMILY FOR YEARS. SO, BEFORE YOU TURN AROUND YOU CAST MORE DISPERSION, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING YOU TODAY THAT KNOW ME A WHOLE LOT BETTER. I MADE MISTAKES, I OWN THEM. I DIDN’T PUT THE SYSTEM THROUGH AN ENTIRE SCENARIO BUT WHAT I DID DO IS I PLED GUILTY AND I AM GOING TO BE, AGAIN, GOING TO PRISON. >>MR. JORDAN.>>MR. COHEN, AT THE CENTER OF REASONS YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON IS CONVICTION FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS AND THEY CENTER AROUND SOME SALACIOUS REVELATIONS, THE WASHINGTON POST REPO REPORTED OR AIRED AN ACCESS HOLLYWOOD VIDEO, IT SET A RECORD FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED, CRASHED THE NEWSPAPER’S SERVER, BUT THIS HAPPENED IN EARLY OCTOBER, ON THE CUSP OF THE ELECTION, WHAT WAS MR. TRUMP’S REACTION TO THE VIDEO BECOMING PUBLIC AT THAT TIME? WAS HE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT VIDEO ON THE ELECTION?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I STATED BEFORE, I WAS IN LONDON AT THE TIME VISITING MY DAUGHTER WHO’S STUDIES THERE FOR A SEMESTER ABROAD. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL DURING THE DINNER, STATING THAT SHE HAD JUST SPOKEN TO MR. TRUMP AND WE NEED YOU TO START MAKING PHONE CALLS TO THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT NEWS OUTLETS THAT YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH AND WE NEED TO SPIN THIS. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CLAIM THAT THIS WAS MEN LOCKER ROOM TALK. >>CONCERN ABOUT THE ELECTION IN PARTICULAR?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. THEN COUPLE THAT WITH KAREN McDOUGAL WHICH THEN CAME OUT AROUND THE SAME TIME. THEN OP TOP OF THAT, THE STORMY DANIELS MATTER.>>THESE THINGS HAPPENED IN THE MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTION. AND ALMOST ONE AFTER ANOTHER. THE STORMY DANIELS REVELATION, WHERE PROSECUTORS AND OFFICIALS OF THE PROSECUTORS LEARNED OF — OF THAT — OF THAT MATTER. AND PROSECUTORS STATED THAT THE OFFICIALS AT THE MAGAZINE CONTACTED YOU ABOUT THE STORY, THE MAGAZINE OF COURSE IS THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, IS THAT CORRECT?>>YES, MA’AM. >>WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THIS NEWS STORY BECOMING PUBLIC RIGHT AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON THE ELECTION?>>I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY MR. TRUMP WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT.>>WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S CONCERN ABOUT THESE MATTERS BECOMING PUBLIC IN OCTOBER, AS WE WERE ABOUT TO GO INTO AN ELECTION?>>I DON’T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISPUTE THIS BELIEF THAT AFTER THE WILDFIRE THAT ENCOMPASSED THE BILLY BUSH TAPE THAT A SECOND FOLLOW-UP TO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PLEASANT AND HE WAS CONCERNED WITH THE EFFECT THAT IT HAD ON THE CAMPAIGN ON HOW WOMEN WERE SEEING HIM AND ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE A SHOT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.>>SO, YOU NEGOTIATED THE $130,000 PAYMENT — >>THE $130,000 NUMBER WAS NOT A NUMBER THAT WAS ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED. IT WAS TOLD TO ME BY KEITH DAVIDSON THAT THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT MS. CLIFFORD WANTED YOU FINALLY COMPLETED THAT DEAL AS IT WERE ON OCTOBER — >>25th. >>DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION. WHAT HAPPENED IN THE INTERIM?>>CONTEMPLATED WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT. WASN’T SURE IF SHE WAS REALLY GOING TO GO PUBLIC. SOME COMMUNICATIONS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND KEITH DAVIDSON. AND ULTIMATELY IT CAME TO EITHER DO IT OR DON’T. AT WHICH TIME, AGAIN, I HAD GONE INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AFTER EACH AND EVERY CONVERSATION AND HE TOLD ME HE HAD SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS IT’S $130,000. NOT A LOT OF MONEY. AND WE SHOULD JUST DO IT. GO AHEAD AND DO IT. I WAS AT THAT TIME WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG WHERE HE DIRECTED US TO GO BACK TO MR. ALLEN WEISSELBERG’S OFFICE AND FIGURE THIS ALL OUT.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. MEADOWS.>>MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW PLYNN PATTON. >>YES, I DO.>>I ASKED LYNN TO COME TODAY IN PERSONAL CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY SHED SOME LIGHT, HAVE YOU KNOWN MS. PATTON?>>I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR LYNN JOINING THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND THE JOB SHE CURRENTLY HOLD. >>Reporter: WELL, I’M GLAD YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. YOU MADE SOME VERY DEMEANING COMMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT MS. PATTON DOESN’T AGREE WITH, IN FACT, IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR CLAIM OF RACISM. SHE SAYS THAT AS A DAUGHTER OF A MAN BORN IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, THAT THERE’S NO WAY THAT SHE WOULD WORK FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS RACIST. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE TWO OF THOSE?>>AS NEITHER SHOULD I AS A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR. >>I’M SAYING, I TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OVER 300 TIMES I HAVEN’T HEARD ONE TIME A RACIST COMMENT OUT OF HIS MOUTH IN PRIVATE, HOW DO YOU RECK SILL IT, DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS? DO YOU HAVE TAPE RECORDINGS OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS? >>NO.>>YOU TAPED EVERYBODY ELSE — >>I HAVEN’T TAPED ANYONE.>>I WOULD ASK YOU — YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION, SIR.>>DO YOU HAVE PROOF — YES, OR NO. >>I DO. >>WHERE’S THE PROOF?>>ASK MS. PATTON HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK ARE EXECUTIVES AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND THE ANSWER IS ZERO. >>WE COULD GO THROUGH THIS, MR. COHEN.>>LET ME GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. DID YOU COLLECT $1.2 MILLION OR SO FROM NOVARTIS?>>I DID.>>FOR ACCESS TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?>>NO SIR.>>WHY DID YOU COLLECT IT?>>BECAUSE THEY CAME TO ME BASED UPON MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENIGMA DONALD TRUMP, WHAT HE THINKS — SIR, LET ME FINISH. >>NO. DID THEY PAY YOU $1.2 MILLION TO GIVE YOU ADVICE?>>YES, THEY DID. THEY CAME TO ME LOOKING FOR INFORMATION NOT SOMETHING THAT’S UNUSUAL HERE IN D.C., LOOKING FOR INFORMATION AND THEY BELIEVED I HAD A VALUE. >>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET — >>THE INSIGHT I WAS CAPABLE OF OFFERING THEM. >>HOW MANY TIMES — HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM FOR $1.2 MILLION. >>I PROVIDED THEM WITH BOTH IN-PERSON AS WELL AS TELEVISION ACCESS WHENEVER THEY NEEDED. >>THAT’S A QUESTION.>>I DON’T RECALL.>>I SPOKE TO THEM ON SEVERAL OCCASION AND HOW MANY?>>SIX TIMES.>>SIX TIMES. WOW. $200,000 A CALL. >>SIR, I’D LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.>>DID YOU GET MONEY FROM THE BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN. >>I DID. >>FOR WHAT PURPOSE. >>THE FORMER CEO OF THAT BANK HAD — 4 TO $6 BILLION AND SOME OF THAT MONEY WAS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THEY SOUGHT MY ASSISTANCE IN TERMS OF FINDING, LOCATING THAT MONEY AND HELPING THEM TO RECOLLECT THAT. >>ALL THE REPORTS THAT YOU’RE PAID SOME ESTIMATES OVER $4 MILLION TO HAVE ACCESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, YOU’RE SAYING ALL OF THAT WAS JUST PAID TO YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE A NICE GUY?>>I’M A NICE GUY. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY — >>I’D BEG TO DIFFER. >>EACH CONTRACT CONTAINED THE CLAUSE THAT SAID I WILL NOT LOBBY AND I DO NOT DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK. IN FACT, IN FACT, NOVARTIS SENT ME THEIR CONTRACT WHICH STATED SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY WANTED ME TO LOBBY, THAT THEY WANTED ME TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT, INFORMATION, THAT PARAGRAPHED WAS CROSSED OUT BY ME, INITIALLED AND WRITTEN IN MY OWN HANDWRITING, I WILL NOT LOBBY OR DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK.>>SO, NOVARTIS REPRESENTATIVES SAY IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE HIRING A NONREGISTERED LOB YIS.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY SAID, SIR. >>HAVE YOU CONTACTED ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION?>>YES.>>TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF ANY ASPECT OF ANY OF YOUR CONTRACT? I — >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION. >>I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO. >>MR. CHAIRMAN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. COHEN, I’M PLEASED YOU AGREED TO TESTIFY TODAY VOLUNTARILY. IN MY VIEW WE’RE ALL HERE FOR JUST ONE REASON AND THAT’S THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO. THEY’VE BEEN LIED TO BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY’VE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S CHILDREN. THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES. AND IT PAINS ME TO SAY, THEY HAVE BEEN EVEN LIED BY HIS CONGRESSIONAL ENABLERS WHO ARE STILL DEVOTED TO PERPETUATING THIS GIANT CON GAME ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. MR. COHEN, I’D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS. SINCE BY LAW, THESE MUST BE REPORTED ACCURATELY ON HIS FEDERAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES AND WHEN HE SUBMITS THEM FOR A BANK LOAN. MR. COHEN, YOU SERVED FOR NEARLY A DECADE AS THEN-BUSINESSMAN TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND SO-CALLED FIXER. DID YOU HAVE — DID YOU ALSO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS AND HOW HE VALUED THOSE ITEMS?>>YES.>>IN NOVEMBER OF 2017, CRAIN’S BUSINESS NEW YORK REPORTED THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION PROVIDED QUOTE, FLAGRANTLY UNTRUE BUSINESS NUMBERS GOING BACK TO 2010 TO INFLUENCE THE LARGEST PRIVATE COMPANIES IN NEW YORK. ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS, WHILE THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION REPORTED NEARLY 9$9.5 BILLION IN REVENUE IN 2016, PUBLIC FILINGS SUGGESTSED THAT REVENUES WERE ACTUALLY LESS THAN 1/10th OF THAT. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT OR HIS COMPANY EVER INFLATE ASSETS OR REVENUES?>>YES.>>WAS THAT DONE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OR DIRECTION?>>EVERYTHING WAS DONE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND AT THE DIRECTION OF MR. TRUMP.>>TELL US WHY HE WOULD DO THAT AND WHAT PURPOSE DID IT SERVE?>>IT DEPENDS UPON THE SITUATION. THERE WERE TIMES THAT I WAS ASKED, AGAIN, WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG, THE CFO, TO GO BACK AND TO SPEAK WITH AN INDIVIDUAL FROM FORBES BECAUSE MR. TRUMP WANTED EACH YEAR TO HAVE HIS NET WORTH RISE ON THE FORBES WEALTHIEST INDIVIDUALS LIST. AND SO, WHAT YOU DO, YOU LOOK AT THE ASSETS AND YOU TRY TO FIND AN ASSET THAT HAS, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, 41 WALL STREET, 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET, FIND AN ASSET THAT’S COMPARABLE, FIND THE HIGHEST PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, ACHIEVED IN THE AREA, AND APPLY IT TO THAT BUILDING, OR, IF YOU’RE GOING OFF OF YOUR RENT ROLL, TIMES THE MULTIPLE AND YOU MAKE UP THE MULTIPLE WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT BASED UPON WHAT HE WANTED TO VALUE THE ASSET AT. >>YOU HAVE PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF THE PRESIDENT’S FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OR PARTS OF THEM FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013. MR. CHAIRMAN, I’D LIKE TO SUBMIT THOSE FOR THE RECORD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I’D LIKE TO SUBMIT THE STATEMENTS TO THE RECORD. THANK YOU. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAD THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND WHAT YOU USED THEM FOR?>>SO, THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WERE USED BY ME FOR TWO PURPOSES. ONE, DISCUSSING WITH MEDIA WHETHER IT WAS FORBES OR OTHER MAGAZINES TO DEMONSTRATE MR. TRUMP’S SIGNIFICANT NET WORTH. THAT WAS ONE FUNCTION. ANOTHER WAS WHEN WE WERE DEALING LATER ON WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THESE COPIES SO THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE PREMIUM, WHICH IS BASED SOMETIMES UPON THE INDIVIDUAL’S CAPABILITIES TO PAY, WOULD BE REDUCED.>>AND ALL OF THIS WAS DONE AT THE PRESIDENT’S DIRECTION AND WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE?>>YES, BECAUSE WHATEVER THE NUMBERS WOULD COME BACK TO BE WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY REPORT IT BACK.>>AND DID THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US INFLATE THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS?>>I BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS ARE INFLATED.>>AND OF COURSE, INDIFLATING T NUMBERS TO BOOST YOUR EGO, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT EVER REPORT INFLATED ASSETS TO BANK IN ORDER TO HELP HIM OBTAIN A LOAN?>>YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.>>THESE DOCUMENTS AND OTHERS WERE PROVIDED TO DEUTSCHE BANK ON ONE OCCASION I WAS WITH THEM IN ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN MONEY SO THAT WE COULD PUT A BID ON THE BUFFALO BILLS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER.>>I THANK THE GENTLEMAN TO PUT INTO THE RECORD AN ARTICLE FROM STAFF, THAT INDICATES MR. COHEN’S PROMISE TO ACCESS NOT JUST TRUMP BUT ALSO THE CIRCLE AROUND HIM ALMOST AS IF WE WERE HIRING A LOBBYIST, CLOSED QUOTE. UNANIMOUS CONSENT WE PUT IN A CRIMINAL REFERRAL FOR VIOLATING OF THE STATUTE NUMBER 6, 6:11. UNANIMOUS CONSENT MRI LETTER MR. COHEN FOR VIOLATING FOR ILLEGAL LOBBYING ACTIVITY BE ENTERED INTO THE ACTION. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THIS COMMITTEE IS FOR US TO LOOK IN A BIPARTISAN WAYS CRIMINAL REFERRALS AT THE NEXT BUSINESS MEETING.>>THESE ARE NOT DOCUMENTS. OBJECTION.>>SO WE’RE OBJECTING TO AN UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST, MR. CHAIRMAN? I’LL YIELD BACK.>>LET ME BE CLEAR, MR. ISSA, I’LL GIVE YOU YOUR WHOLE FIVE MINUTES.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. MEADOWS, THE RANKING MEMBER MADE ME AWARE THAT I HAD GIVEN A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. BUT I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW BECAUSE THERE’S SO MANY MEMBERS IT’S GOING TO BE TRICKY ON THE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. ISSA, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.>>MR. COHEN, YOU CLAIM YOU’RE A LIAR BUT NOT A LIAR. JUST SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, IF YOU LIE YOU’RE A LIAR. IF THE FACTS THEY’RE ACCURATE. THAT WOULD MAKE YOUR INACCURATE. I’D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT WHO YOU CONSULTED WITH FOR TODAY’S HEARING?>>I CONSULTED WITH LANNY DAVISES WELL AS MICHAEL MONICO. >>DID YOU OR MICHAEL OR LANNY DAVIS OR ANYONE ELSE COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY TO PREPARE FOR THIS TESTIMONY?>>WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PARTY.>>OKAY, DID YOU PREPARE WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS OR ANYONE ON YOUR TEAM?>>WHAT DO YOU PREPARE FOR TEAM.>>I PREPARED WITH MY COUNSEL. >>DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY OR CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS. >>WE SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AND THE PARTY. >>SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND HIS PEOPLE AS WELL. >>ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS LIAISON FOR YOU AS THE MAJORITY PARTY? DID YOU HAVE A LIAISON THAT YOU MENTIONED WHO WERE WORKING WITH THE MAJORITY TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING?>>WE SPOKE WITH VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU JUST RAISED, YES.>>TOM, STEYER. REGARDING HIM OR ANY OF HIS REPRESENTATIVES, ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM, IS HE OR ANY OF THEM PAYING LANNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU?>>NOT THAT I KNOW OF.>>HE’S DOING ALL THIS WORK FOR NOTHING?>>I HOPE SO.>>I KIND OF DOUBT IT. HOW DID LANNY DAVIS COME TO REPRESENT YOU?>>I REACHED OUT TO LANNY DAVIS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF MY FORMER COUNSEL OVER AT McD McDERMOTT, WILL AND EMERY WHO KNEW MR. DAVIS. >>YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. DAVIS. I DID, YES, INITIALLY.>>OKAY, SO, DID YOU WANT TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS OR DID HE URGE YOU TO TESTIFY HERE?>>I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE AND I’M HERE VOLUNTARILY BECAUSE IT’S MY — >>YOU WERE ASKED BY WHO? DID HE ASK YOU TO COME HERE?>>NO, SIR. >>BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT HE DID ASK YOU TO COME HERE AND THAT HE CONVINCED YOU AND HE DID THE SAME WITH THE CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AS WELL. SO YOUR TESTIMONY HERE IS THAT YOU APPROACHED LANNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU AND TO COME HERE, HE DID NOT PERSUADE YOU TO COME HERE. >>HE DIDN’T PERSUADE HERE. ACTUALLY, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND OTHERS, THEY SPOKE IN IN ORDER FOR ME TO COME HERE VOLUNTARILY.>>I FIND THE CONNECTING OF THE DOTS HERE WITH MR. DAVIS AND YOU AND FRANKLY THE CHAIRMAN AND PERHAPS OTHERS TO BE RATHER STUNNING THAT THERE’S AN AGENDA FOR ALL THIS HAPPENING HERE TODAY. I BELIEVE FRANKLY THAT’S TO BRING THE PRESIDENT DOWN, TO IMPUGN THE PRESIDENT. YOU MADE AN OATH LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE AND THAT OATH MEANT NOTHING TO YOU THEN. WE HAD AN OATH HERE IN THIS VERY ROOM ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND IT WAS, QUOTE, BE CLEAR THAT I WILL SEEK THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP ME GOD, END QUOTE, SOUNDS LIKE AN OATH TO ME. THE CHAIRMAN MADE THAT STATEMENT. IN THIS VERY ROOM. LAST MONTH. BUT HERE WE ARE TODAY, OUR FIRST BIG HEARING, WITH AS YOU AND WE ALL KNOW, A CONVICTED LIAR, LYING TO CONGRESS, A CRIMINAL, AND I BELIEVE THIS WITNESS IS TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE STATED GOAL OF HAVING TO SEEK THE TRUTH IN THIS HEARING. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF CONGRESS WE HAVE SOMEONE TESTIFYING HERE WHO’S ALREADY CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS. CONGRATULATIONS FOR BEING THE FIRST IN CONGRESS TO DO THAT AND MR. CUMMINGS AS WELL. I CAN’T BELIEVE WE’RE — WE BROUGHT THIS COMMITTEE TO ITS KNEES IN TERMS OF LOSING ITS CREDIBILITY. AND IT’S SHAMEFUL MOCKERY OF WHAT THE PURPOSE IS. I YIELD BACK.>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME EXPIRED.>>LET ME PICK UP ON THOSE LAST COMMENTS. WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LOW POINT. HOW ABOUT MR. PAPADAPOLOUS PLED GUILTY, MR. KLIMINIK INDICTED FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. FOR TWO YEARS, TALK ABOUT AN AGENDA, MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE REFUSE TO ANY OF THESE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE. TODAY, WE HAVE A WITNESS VOLUNTARILY IS COMING FORWARD TO TESTIFY. YOUR SIDE RAN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH. AND WE’RE TRYING TO BRING IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO, MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTARILY FOR COMING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TO TESTIFY. I WANT TO Z YOU ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS REGARDING TRUMP TOWER AND MOSCOW. I WANT TO DRILL DOWN SOME OF THE FACTS AND DETAILS. NOW, YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THIS, THIS GO BACKS A WAYS BACK IN 1997 MR. TRUMP WROTE HE HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH SOVIET OFFICIALS BACK THEN TO BUILD A LARGE LUXURY HOTEL ACROSS FROM THE KREMLIN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOVIET UNION. SO, AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE SOVIET UNION. I WANT TO ASK YOU, IN YOUR FILING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL MURRELL’S OFFICE, THE PROSECUTORS WROTE AND I QUOTE, MR. COHEN DISCUSSED THE STATUS OF IN PROGRESS OF THE MOSCOW PROJECT WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE ON MORE THAN THE THREE OCCASIONS MR. COHEN CLAIMS TO THE COMMITTEE AND HE BRIEFED FAMILY MEMBERS OF INDIVIDUAL ONE WITH THE COMPANY ABOUT THE PROJECT. I KNOW THIS IS REDUNDANT. MR. COHEN, WHO WERE YOU REFERRING TO AS WE REFER TO INDIVIDUAL ONE. >>DONALD TRUMP.>>THE COMPANY?>>THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. >>OKAY. WHO WERE THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT YOU BRIEFED ON THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT. >>DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR AND I IVANKA TRUMP.>>REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS OR DID THE PRESIDENT OR FAMILY REQUEST A BRIEFING?>>THIS IS THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS. >>DID YOU RECALL, A QUESTION ON THE NUMBER OF BRIEFINGS, DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY OF THESE BRIEFINGS MIGHT HAVE BEEN. >>APPROXIMATELY TEN IN TOTAL.>>ALL RIGHT. IN YOUR WRITTEN REMARKS YOU ALSO WROTE AND I QUOTE, AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS IN 2016 AT THE END OF JUNE, MR. PRESIDENT WOULD ASK ME HOW IS IT GOING IN MOSCOW? HOW WOULD HE COMMUNICATE THAT?>>MICHAEL, HE WAS HEADING TO RALLY OR A CAR, HE WOULD ASK ME, QUESTIONS QUICKLY REGARDING A SERIES OF — >>ANY DOUBT ABOUT WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT IN RUSSIA?>>NO, THIS WOULD BE IT OTHERWISE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON TO ASK IT OF ME. >>YOU ALSO WROTE AND I QUOTE, TO BE CLEAR, DONALD TRUMP KNEW OF AND NEGOTIATE D THE PROJECT. HOW DID HE DIRECT THE NEGOTIATIONS? WHAT DETAILS DID HE DIRECT?>>AFTER EACH COMMUNICATION I HAD, I WOULD REPORT BACK TO HIM AND OUR GOAL WAS TO GET THIS PROJECT, WE WERE INTERESTED IN BUILDING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LARGEST BUILDING IN ALL OF EUROPE. SIR, IF I CAN SAY ONE LAST THING TO THE GENTLEMAN’S STATEMENT SINCE THIS IS ON TOPIC. THE LIES THAT I TOLD TO CONGRESS, IN FAIRNESS BENEFITED MR. TRUMP, IT WAS IN FURTHER OF MY PROTECTION OF MR. TRUMP WHICH I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY. AND I’M NOT PROTECTING MR. TRUMP ANYMORE. AND SO, WHILE I TRULY APPRECIATE TAKING SOME OF YOUR TIME ON TO IT, TO ATTACK ME EVERY SINGLE TIME ABOUT TAXES, I HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, IT’S FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON THAT I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BOXES IN ORDER TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I DON’T WANT YOU TO. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS. MAKE YOUR LET ME JUST SAY I DON’T THINK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE AFRAID THAT YOU ARE GOING TO LIE. I THINK THEY’RE AFRAID YOU’RE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH.>>THANK YOU, SIR.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THE GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO IS RECOGNIZED.>>I APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN YIELDING. WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A FEDERAL AGENCY WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED? JAMES COMEY DIRECTOR FIRED, ANDY McCABE DEPUTY DIRECTOR FIRED, LIED THREE TIMES UNDER OATH AS WE SPEAK. JIM BAKER, FBI COUNSEL, DEMOTED AND THEN LEFT UNDER CURRENT INVESTIGATION BY THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. PETER STRZOK, DEPUTY HEAD OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE, DEMOTED AND THEN FIRED. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND TODAY WE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR ROD ROSENSTEIN. OH, BY THE WAY, WE NOW KNOW THREE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US ROD ROSENSTEIN ACTUALLY WAS CONTEMPLATING USING THE 25th AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE GUY FROM PRESIDENCY WHO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PUT THERE, AND WE ASKED FOR HIM TO BE A WITNESS TODAY AND THE CHAIRMAN SAID NO AND INSTEAD, WE GET 30 MINUTES FROM A GUY WHO IS GOING TO PRISON, GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. MR. COHEN, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS BEFORE I YIELD BACK TO MY COLLEAGUE. MR. HICE ASKED WHO YOU TALKED TO. YOU SPOKE TO MR. SCHIFF AND WHERE CUMMINGS AND YOU HAVE GONE IN FRONT OF BOTH COMMITTEES. YOU WILL BE IN FRONT OF MR. SCHIFF’S COMMITTEE TOMORROW. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO CHAIRMAN NADLER OR ANY OF YOUR ATTORNEYS?>>I DON’T KNOW ABOUT MY ATTORNEYS. I HAVE NOT — >>YOU DON’T KNOW — >>I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO CONGRESSMAN NADLER AND I’M NOT AWARE IF MY ATTORNEYS — I CAN ASK THEM.>>YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND ASK THEM. THE ANSWER, SIR, IS NO.>>AND HE SAID AT THIS PRESENT TIME, MR. DAVIS IS NOT GETTING PAID. ARE YOU ANTICIPATING HIM RECEIVING SOME COMPENSATION IN THE FUTURE?>>WHEN I START TO EARN A LIVING — >>HE’S GOING TO WAIT THREE YEARS?>>THE ANSWER IS YES.>>WOW. THAT’S A FIRST. I HAVE NEVER KNOWN A LAWYER WAIT THREE YEARS TO GET PAID.>>I GUESS HE THINKS IT’S IMPORTANT.>>YIELDING NOW TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA.>>MR. COHEN, YOU’RE A DISGRACED LAWYER. YOU HAVE BEEN DISBARRED, AND SO I’M SURE YOU REMEMBER — WELL, MAYBE YOU DON’T REMEMBER DUTY OF LOYALTY. DUTY OF CONFIDENTIALITY, ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN OVER TO YOUR RIGHT SIDE ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT VERY, VERY WELL AND WOULDN’T DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE TODAY. SO LET’S GO BACK AT THIS CREDIBILITY. YOU WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THINK OF YOU AS A REAL PHILANTHROPIC ICON, THAT YOU ARE ABOUT JUSTICE, THAT YOU ARE THE PERSON THAT SOMEBODY WOULD CALL AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. NO, THEY WOULDN’T. NOT AT ALL. YOU SAW MR. COHEN, WE’RE GOING TO DISSECT YOU. IN FRONT OF RIGHT THIS COMMITTEE, YOU CONFLICTED YOUR TESTIMONY, SIR. YOU’RE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. YOU DON’T KNOW TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD.>>SIR, I’M SORRY — ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>THIS IS MY TIME. >>ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME OR THE PRESIDENT?>>WHEN I ASK A QUESTION, I’LL ASK FOR AN ANSWER.>>SURE. >>ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH RULE 35 OF THE RULES OF FEDERAL PROCEDURES?>>I AM NOW.>>OH. THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS YOU HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. IS THAT TRUE?>>I AM IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK REGARDING JUNEONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. >>AND PART OF THAT APPLICATION IS TO REDUCE SENTENCING TIME. IS IT NOT?>>YEAH. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY.>>THE ANSWER IS YES.>>NO, IT’S NOT, SIR.>>YES, IT IS.>>OKAY. IT’S NOT.>>THE TESTIMONY HERE WITH HELP YOU GET YOUR SENTENCE LESSENED. ISN’T THAT TRUE?>>I’M NOT SURE HOW MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY IS PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT CAN USE FOR THE CREATION OF A CASE. NOW IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP CAN DO FOR ME, I WOULD GLADLY WELCOME IT.>>WELL, I GOT TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW AMERICA’S WATCHING YOU. I HAVE BEEN GETTING TEXTS RIGHT AND LEFT SAYING, HOW CAN ANYBODY LISTEN TO THIS PATHOLOGICAL PERSON? HE HAS GOT A PROBLEM. HE DOESN’T KNOW FACT FROM FICTION, AND THAT’S WHAT’S SAD HERE. YOU DIDN’T DO THIS FOR DONALD TRUMP, TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP. YOU DID IT FOR YOU. THIS IS — NO. THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU. THIS IS ABOUT THIS TWITTER FEED, AND LET ME READ ANOTHER ONE. WOMEN WHO LOVE AND SUPPORT MICHAEL COHEN, SEX SYMBOL, NO NONSENSE, BUSINESS-ORIENTED — >>1,000 FOLLOWERS?>>GETTING READY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AGAINST THE LAW, THAT’S PRETTY SAD. OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO HAVE TRUST. IT’S BUILT ON THE PREMISE THAT WE’RE TRUTHFUL, THAT WE COME FORWARD, BUT THERE IS NO TRUTH WITH YOU WHATSOEVER. THAT’S WHY THAT’S IMPORTANT TO YOU, TO LOOK UP HERE AND LOOK AT THE OLD ADAGE OUR MOMS TAUGHT US. LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. NO ONE SHOULD EVER LISTEN TO YOU AND GIVE YOU CREDIBILITY. IT’S SAD. IT’S SAD THAT WE HAVE COME, IN FACT, I WANT TO QUOTE THE CHAIRMAN’S VERY WORDS. THIS IS A REAL — HOLD ON.>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>SAD STATE.>>MR. COHEN, SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU STATE THE BAD THINGS THAT YOU DID FOR MR. TRUMP, AND AT SOME POINT, YOU APPARENTLY CHANGED YOUR COURSE OF ACTION. THERE IS WILL RECURRING REFRAIN IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT SAYS, AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU CHANGED. WHAT WAS THE BREAKING POINT AT WHICH YOU DECIDED TO START TELLING THE TRUTH?>>THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS. HELSINKI, CHARLOTTESVILLE, WATCHING THE DAILY DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER. PUTTING UP SILLY THINGS LIKE THIS. REALLY UNBECOMING OF CONGRESS. IT’S THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOR THAT I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR. I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SILLINESS BECAUSE I DID THE SAME THING THAT YOU ARE DOING NOW FOR TEN YEARS. I PROTECTED MR. TRUMP FOR TEN YEARS, AND THE FACT THAT YOU PULL UP A NEWS ARTICLE THAT HAS NO VALUE TO IT AND YOU WANT TO USE THAT AS THE PREMISE FOR DISCREDITING ME THAT I’M NOT THE PERSON THAT PEOPLE CALLED AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING WOULD MAKE YOU INACCURATE. IN ACTUALITY, IT WOULD MAKE AWE LIAR WHICH WOULD PUT YOU INTO THE SAME POSITION THAT I AM IN, AND I CAN ONLY WARN PEOPLE THE MORE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW MR. TRUMP AS I DID BLINDLY ARE GOING TO SUFFER THE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT I’M SUFFERING.>>WHAT WARNING WOULD YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE TEMPTED AS YOU WERE — WOULD YOU ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO WAIT TEN YEARS TO SEE THE LIGHT? WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE, IN PARTICULAR, YOUNG LAWYERS SO THEY DO NOT ABUSE THEIR BAR LICENSE AS YOU DID?>>LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENED TO ME. I HAD A WONDERFUL LIFE. I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WIFE. I HAVE TWO AMAZING CHILDREN. I ACHIEVED FINANCIAL SUCCESS BY THE AGE OF 39. I DIDN’T GO TO WORK FOR MR. TRUMP BECAUSE I HAD TO. I WENT TO WORK FOR HIM BECAUSE I WANTED TO, AND I HAVE LOST IT ALL. SO IF I’M NOT PICTURE PERFECT, THAT’S THE PICTURE THAT SHOULD BE UP THERE. IF I’M NOT A PICTURE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHATN NOT TO DO, THAT’S THE EXAMPLE THAT I’M TRYING TO SET FOR MY CHILDREN. YOU MAKE MISTAKES IN LIFE AND I HAVE OWNED THEM AND I HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM, AND I’M PAYING A HUGE PRICE AS IS MY FAMILY. SO IF THAT IN AND OF ITSELF ISN’T ENOUGH TO DISSUADE SOMEONE FROM ACTING IN THE CALLOUS MANNER THAT I DID, I’M NOT SURE THAT THAT PERSON HAS ANY — ANY CHANCE VERY MUCH LIKE I’M IN RIGHT NOW.>>THE RECURRING THEME IN YOUR TESTIMONY IS CONCERN FOR YOUR FAMILY’S SAFETY. WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU MOST CONCERNED ABOUT?>>WELL, THE PRESIDENT UNLIKE MY COHEN FOR TRUMP THAT HAS 1,000 FOLLOWERS, HE HAS GOT OVER 60 MILLION PEOPLE, AND WHEN MR. TRUMP TURNED AROUND EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN AND SAID, I CAN SHOOT SOMEBODY ON 5th AVENUE AND GET AWAY WITH IT, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. HE’S NOT JOKING. HE’S TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. YOU DON’T KNOW HIM. I DO. I SAT NEXT TO THIS MAN FOR TEN YEARS, AND I WATCHED HIS BACK. I’M THE ONE WHO STARTED THE CAMPAIGN AND I’M THE ONE WHO CONTINUED IN 2015 TO PROMOTE HIM. SO MANY THINGS I THOUGHT THAT HE CAN DO THAT ARE JUST GREAT, AND HE CAN AND HE IS DOING THINGS THAT ARE GREAT, BUT THIS DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER IS JUST — IT’S OUT OF CONTROL, AND WHEN HE GOES ON TWITTER AND HE STARTS BRINGING IN MY IN-LAWS, MY PARENTS, MY WIFE, WHAT DOES HE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? HE’S CAUSING — HE’S SENDING OUT THE SAME MESSAGE THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. THIS IS HIS COUNTRY. IT’S BECOMING AN AUTOCRAT AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING BAD WON’T HAPPEN TO ME OR MY CHILDREN OR MY WIFE SO I WILL NOT BE HERE AND TESTIFY. THAT’S WHAT HIS HOPE WAS, TO INTIMIDATE ME, AND AGAIN, I THANKED EVERYBODY WHO JOINED AND SAID THAT THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT.>>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MR. TRUMP PERSONALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM?>>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS.>>HE WOULD HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT?>>I’M NOT SURE THAT HE HAD TO HIRE THEM. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING THERE. EVERYBODY’S JOB AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. EVERY DAY, MOST OF US KNEW WE WERE COMING IN AND WE WERE GOING TO LIE FOR HIM ON SOMETHING, AND THAT BECAME THE NORM, AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE IN GOVERNMENT, SIR.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>MR. ARMSTRONG.>>THANK YOU.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE TAKE A BREAK?>>OKAY.>>ALL RIGHT.>>I DID, SIR. THAT’S OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.>>AND WITH THAT, THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE GOING TO A SHORT RE RECESS. ABOUT TWO HOURS ANOTHER HEARING. MICHAEL COHEN FACING SO MANY QUESTIONS FROM REPUBLICANS ABOUT HIS CREDIBILITY. DEMOCRATS FOCUSING ON THE CHARGES HE IS MAKING AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP HAVING MOSTLY TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS THAT HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR. ALSO FOR THEIR EFFORTS TO BUILD A TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW DURING THE CAMPAIGN.ABRAMS, OUR CHIEF LEGAL ANALYST. IT APPEARS ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, THEY HAVE A STRATEGY TO CREATE FOR HEARINGS.>>NO QUESTION. THEY ARE BASICALLY CREATING A WITNESS LIST AS WE LISTEN TO THIS OF WHO ELSE IS NOW GOING TO BE CALLED FORWARD TO TRY TO VERIFY OR CHALLENGE WHAT MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING. IVANKA TRUMP AND JARED KUSHNER AND DONALD TRUMP JR., ET CETERA. SO THAT’S A CLEAR STRATEGY ON THE PART OF THE DEMOCRATS. NOW ON THE PART OF THE REPUBLICANS, IT’S A LITTLE BIT LESS UNIFIED IN THE SENSE THAT YOU ARE SEEING DIFFERENT PIECES BEING PULLED OUT, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CAUTIONS HERE. YOU SEE A NUMBER OF THEM. THEY ARE ALL TRYING TO UNDERMINE HIS CREDIBILITY, RIGHT? SOME OF THEM CITING FOR EXAMPLE, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, WHICH IS WHERE HE PLED GUILTY BASICALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN OFFICE WHERE HE HAS ADMITTED, ET CETERA, THIS AND THIS AND THAT. I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THIS IS AN OFFICE THAT COULD ALSO END UP GOING AFTER THE PRESIDENT. SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK TO DON JUNIOR OR WHOEVER IT IS, THEY HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS HERE ABOUT BETTING TOO MUCH ON THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK’S CREDIBILITY BECAUSE THAT COULD COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM. >>CHRIS CHRISTIE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE SEEING HERE IS A DIRECT STRATEGY ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE. THE SINGULAR FOCUS ON TAKING ON THE CREDIBILITY OF MICHAEL COHEN. LIED ONCE, LIE ALL THE TIME.>>THAT’S RIGHT AND IT’S OBVIOUS. IT’S EXACTLY WHAT EVERY DEFENSE LAWYER DID WITH THE WITNESSES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE — BEFORE THE HEARING THAT I PUT ON THE STAND AS U.S. ATTORNEY WHO HAD LIED PREVIOUSLY. THAT’S THE STANDARD FARE. WHAT’S INTERESTING IS THERE HASN’T BEEN ONE REPUBLICAN YET WHO HAS TRIED TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT ON THE SUBSTANCE, AND I THINK THAT’S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONCERNING TO THE WHITE HOUSE. WHY ARE NO REPUBLICANS STANDING UP AND DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT ON THE SUBSTANCE? AND THAT’S EITHER A FAILURE OF THOSE REPUBLICANS ON THE HILL OR A FAILURE OF THE WHITE HOUSE TO HAVE A UNIFIED STRATEGY WITH THEM. THEY KNEW WHAT WAS COMING OF MICHAEL COHEN AND SO I THINK IT’S GOING TO — AS THE DAY GOES ON, IT’S GOING TO GET TIRED OF HEARING THE ATTACKS ON COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. HE’S NOT A CREDIBLE WITNESS, BUT HE DOES HAVE CORROBORATION ON CERTAIN THINGS. WHERE IS THE DEFENSE OF THE PRESIDENT?>>THAT HASN’T COME, AND CECILIA, WE HAVE SEEN TWEETS FROM THE PRESIDENT’S SONS. >>THEY ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS, AND LIKE THEIR FATHER, THEY ARE TRYING TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM MICHAEL COHEN. YOU CAN SEE DON JUNIOR SAYING, MICHAEL COHEN BEGGED TO WORK AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE GOVERNOR WAS SAYING. NOT SEEING REPUBLICANS JUMP OUT TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT. IF SOME OF WHAT MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING IN HIS TESTIMONY TODAY IS TRUE, THE STUFF ABOUT — THE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT HIM BEING A RACIST AND SAYING SOME HORRIBLY UGLY COMMENTS, THOSE ARE INDEFENSIBLE. IT’S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO OUT AND DEFEND THOSE THINGS.>>PICK WHICH THINGS YOU WANT TO DEFEND AND WHAT I’M SAYING IS WHAT’S NOTABLE TO ME IS THERE HAS BEEN NO DEFENSE OF THE PRESIDENT. NOT ON ANY ONE PARTICULAR THING. THERE HAS BEEN NO DEFENSE OF THE PRESIDENT.>>ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST ESSENTIAL CHARGES REALLY COMING OUT OF THIS HEARING RIGHT HERE. THERE IS NO DEFENSE OF THE PRESIDENT ON THE IDEA THAT HE DIRECTED MICHAEL COHEN TO BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. >>RIGHT, AND I THINK THAT’S A POLITICAL PROBLEM FOR THE WHITE HOUSE IS IF HOUSE REPUBLICANS — YOU THINK BACK TO THE WATERGATE HEARINGS. YOU STILL HAD PEOPLE IN THE LATE DAYS DEFENDING RICHARD NIXON ON THE SUBSTANCE. YOU DON’T HAVE ANYBODY DEFENDING HIM RIGHT NOW AND THAT’S A POLITICAL PROBLEM THAT THE WHITE HOUSE NEEDS TO ADDRESS.>>BUT THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT’S SORT OF A NUANCED DEFENSE, RIGHT? WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE DEFENSE, IT’S GOING TO BE, YEAH. HE PAID THE MONEY. YEAH, HE SIGNED THE CHECKS. YEAH, THERE WAS THIS RETAINER IN PLACE, BUT IT WASN’T DONE SPECIFICALLY TO TRY TO IMPACT THE ELECTION. SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO REALLY DO HERE TO GET INTO THAT?>>YOU JUST DID IT. YOU JUST DID THE DEFENSE IN 15 SECONDS. IT’S NOT ALL THAT NUANCED. SOMEONE WILL SAY, MR. COHEN, ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT THE PRESIDENT TOLD YOU HE WAS TRYING TO DO THIS TO SAVE THE ELECTION?>>HE’S GOING TO SAY YES. HE MADE IT CLEAR TO ME TO IMPACT THE ELECTION.>>THAT’S DIFFERENT. HE HASN’T SAID THAT. >>THAT’S NOT A — YOU KNOW AS A GOOD CROSS EXAMINER, YOU DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER. >>THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE ANSWER. THEY CARE ABOUT MAKING THE ARGUMENT. YOU CARE ABOUT MAKING THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOU KNOW MICHAEL COHEN WILL SAY THE MOST NEGATIVE THINGS HE CAN SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS DONE THAT ALREADY THROUGHOUT THE HEARING. IF THAT’S THE ARGUMENT, AND IT IS, THEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE IT. >>WHAT THEY CAN’T SAY IS THE PRESIDENT WAS TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID HE DIDN’T PAY HUSH MONEY. >>THAT’S THE CASE. DON’T DEFEND IT. DEFEND THE STUFF YOU CAN DEFEND, GEORGE. >>THEY WANT TO MINIMIZE THE CRIME, RIGHT? THEY WANT TO MINIMIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS AND SAY, LOOK. THIS MAY BE TRUE, BUT — >>THEY WANT TO SAY IT ISN’T A CRIME BECAUSE HE DIDN’T DO IT –>>THAT TOO.>>THAT’S NOT THAT NUANCED. YOU CAN DO THAT.>>THAT’S WHERE THE STRATEGIES ARE. MARY BRUCE, YOU’RE OUTSIDE THE ROOM RIGHT NOW. SO MUCH ANGER PALPABLE INSIDE THAT HEARING ROOM.>>Reporter: GEORGE, IT’S JUST REMARKABLE TO SEE THE TWO SIDES GOING BACK AND FORTH AT EACH OTHER HERE EVEN BEFORE MICHAEL COHEN EVEN STARTED HIS TESTIMONY. YOU HEARD CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS MAKING VERY CLEAR THAT THERE IS A NEW SHERIFF HERE IN TOWN ESSENTIALLY. HE SAID THAT THE DAYS OF THIS COMMITTEE PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT ARE OVER AND THAT AS YOU HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WE SAW STARTING FROM THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON THE COMMITTEE ALL THE WAY DOWN MAKING VERY CLEAR THEIR STRATEGY HERE. IT IS TRANSPARENT THAT THEY ARE GOING AFTER MICHAEL COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT, AND THEY ARE MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT HE WAS AFTER HIS OWN GREED AND BLIND AMBITION. COHEN OF COURSE, PUSHING BACK AGAINST THAT ESSENTIALLY ARGUING HE IS A MAN WITH NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE. WHETHER WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE BOTH SIDES DIGGING IN HERE AND CONTINUING TO FURTHER THAT DIVIDE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WILL REMAIN TO BE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS DAY AND WHETHER ANY REPUBLICANS WILL BREAK WITH WHAT SO FAR SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY STRICT PARTY LINE HERE. >>PIERRE THOMAS, WE KNOW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK NOT ONLY REACHED A PLEA AGREEMENT WITH MICHAEL COHEN, BUT AN IMMUNITY DEAL WITH THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE HEARD FROM MICHAEL COHEN TODAY, WAS WORKING WITH HIM ON SETTING UP THESE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS. WE COULD SEE THAT MAN, ALAN WEISELBERG BEFORE CONGRESS.>>Reporter: THEY PUT HIM IN THE ROOM WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS. HE SAID THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS THAT HE WENT AND TALKED WITH WEISELBERG ABOUT THE PAYMENTS THAT HE WANTED WEISELBERG TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY AND THE FACT THAT WEISELBERG DIDN’T WANT TO DO THAT, AND IT CAME DOWN TO THE WIRE, AND THAT’S THE CRITICAL THING ABOUT WHAT WE’RE HEARING TODAY AS WELL, THAT ALL THIS IS TAKING PLACE IN THE MONTH RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION, AND GEORGE, JUST TO TAKE A STEP BACK TO HELP VIEWERS AT HOME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AFTER DONALD TRUMP ANNOUNCED HIS PRESIDENCY, BID FOR THE PRESIDENCY IN 2015, THE PROSECUTORS PUT FORTH ALLEGATIONS THAT THEY SAY THEY HAD PROVEN THAT AMI AND DAVID PECKER REACHED OUT TO COHEN AND CAME UP WITH THIS CATCH AND KILL IDEA, AND THE IDEA IS THAT WHEN NEGATIVE STORIES WOULD SURFACE, THAT THEY WOULD ATTEMPT TO KILL THOSE STORIES BEFORE THEY COULD BE PUBLISHED AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT BECAME INTERESTED ACCORDING TO MY SOURCES AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS INVOLVED, INVOLVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, AND THAT YOU HAD A — ESSENTIALLY A PUBLICATION WORKING WITH A CANDIDATE TO NOT PUBLISH STORIES, BUT TO ACTUALLY KILL THEM, GEORGE.>>AND THE QUESTION IS — LET ME BRING THIS TO DAN AND CHRIS, AND THEN BACK TO TERRY MORAN. IT’S WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT NOW DOES WITH THAT. WE HAVE NOW SEEN MORE TESTIMONY HERE FROM MICHAEL COHEN. WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE NAMED THE PRESIDENT AS INDIVIDUAL 1 PERHAPS. MORE EXPOSURE FOR DON JUNIOR. DO THEY TAKE FURTHER ACTION?>>IT’S GOING TO BE HARD. IF THE FURTHER ACTIONS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I DON’T THINK THEY’RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT UNLESS AND UNTIL HE’S OUT OF THE PRESIDENCY. I DON’T BELIEVE THEY WILL GET BILL BARR OR ANYBODY ELSE AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO WAIVE THAT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RULE OR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT’S GOING ON. I THINK THEY WILL KEEP DIGGING. THERE IS LOTS OF PEOPLE TO TALK TO, AND THEY WILL KEEP DEVELOPING WHAT CASE THEY CAN.>>AND MICHAEL COHEN IS STILL TALKING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. >>RIGHT, AND PART OF THE QUESTION BECOMES, DOES DON JUNIOR FOR EXAMPLE GET CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY IN CONNECTION WITH THIS? AND THEN MAYBE THE PRESIDENT GETS NAMED AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT A PRESIDENT CAN BE NAMED AS AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR.>>RICHARD NIXON. >>RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TESTIMONY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE CORROBORATION HE HAS FOR IT, YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT HAS SAID ABOUT IT MEANING THEY BELIEVE HIM. THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PRESIDENT, AND SO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO YOURSELF, WELL, CAN THEY REALLY DO NOTHING WITH THAT CONSIDERING THAT’S THE POSITION THAT THEY’RE TAKING?>>HERE’S WHY THEY CAN. IT’S NOT ONLY THAT GUIDELINE. IT’S THE ARGUMENT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, AND THEY WENT DOWN THIS ROAD WITH JOHN EDWARDS AND LOST, YOU KNOW, THE FACT IS THAT WHAT WAS IN HIS HEAD AS TO WHY HE WANTED THOSE PAYMENTS TO BE MADE, HE WILL TESTIFY THAT HE WANTED TO DO IT TO PROTECT HIS MARRIAGE, TO PROTECT HIS CHILDREN AND NOT ABOUT THE ELECTION. AND SO YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A JURY HAVING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DECISION, AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, EARLIER, ONE OF OUR CORRESPONDENTS SAID, WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL THE I THINK C — KING, YOU BETTER MAKE SURE HE’S DEAD. THE CASE IS AGAINST NEITHER A SITTING OR FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU GOT HIM.>>TERRY, I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THAT AND THIS IDEA THAT WE KNOW WHAT DEPARTMENTS IN CONGRESS THINK ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY. WE KNOW WHAT REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS THINK ABOUT IT. WHAT WE DON’T KNOW YET IS HOW THIS IS ALL GOING TO STRIKE IN THIS VERY POLARIZED POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT, THE COUNTRY THAT’S WATCHING TODAY.>>Reporter: WELL, THE BEST BET, GEORGE, ON THAT, AS ON EVERY OTHER ISSUE IS THAT IT WILL FALL ALONG THESE POLARIZED LINES IN POLITICS, AND IN OUR WIDER CULTURE. YOU CAN HEAR IT IN THE ACCENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LINE THERE, OF THE PARTISAN LINE, JUST HOW DIVIDED THE COUNTRY IS GEOGRAPHICALLY IN ADDITION TO CULTURALLY, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING BEYOND THOSE IMMEDIATE LEGAL CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT MIGHT — THAT MIGHT SETTLE IN TO THE NATIONAL MINDSET, AND THAT IS THE PORT R — PORTRAIT FROM AN ALLEGED DONALD TRUMP. HE CALLED HIM AN ENIGMA, AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE CRASUAL RACISM THAT CECILIA MENTIONED, AND HIS SON DON JUNIOR HAS THE WORST JUDGMENT OF ANYONE HE HAS SEEN. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP IN THE WAY IT HAS PLAYED OUT IN PUBLIC. HE SAID THAT ONLY STUPID PEOPLE WENT TO VIETNAM, AND HIS CONTEMPT THAT MICHAEL COHEN PORTRAYS. THIS IS AN INSIDER’S ALLEGED PORTRAIT OF DONALD TRUMP, AND IT MIGHT HAVE BROADER POLITICAL IMPACT FOR DONALD TRUMP DOWN THE LINE AND NOT JUST THOSE CONCRETE LEGAL ISSUES THAT THIS TESTIMONY RAISES, BUT THE SENSE OF WHAT HE’S REALLY LIKE BEHIND THE SCENES AND IT IS OBVIOUSLY UNFLATTERING. >>IT DID SEEM, CECILIA, THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS MOST COMFORTABLE WHEN DEALING WITH THE PERSONAL MATTERS AND LESS THE LEGAL MATTERS. >>I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE RORSCHACH TESTS IN SOCIETY. IF YOU THOUGHT BEFORE THIS MORNING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS A RACIST, A CON MAN AND A CHEAT LIKE MICHAEL COHEN TOLD CONGRESS AND AMERICA THAT HE BELIEVES HE IS, YOU PROBABLY STILL THINK THAT, AND IF YOU DIDN’T THAT, YOU THINK MICHAEL COHEN IS A LIAR NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS. MICHAEL COHEN, IF HE IS TO BE BELIEVED, OPENED UP — PULLED THE CURTAIN BACK ON THE MYSTERY THAT IS DONALD TRUMP, A SIDE OF HIM THAT WE RARELY GET TO SEE, LIFE INSIDE TRUMP TOWER. WHO GETS TO STAND BEHIND HIS BACK AND WHISPER IN HIS EAR WORDS ABOUT MEETINGS POTENTIALLY? WE ARE — WE ARE HEARING FROM SOMEONE WHOSE TESTIMONY COULD BE SO POTENTIALLY INVALUABLE BECAUSE OF THE ROLE HE PLAYED FOR SO MANY YEARS IN THAT COMPANY.>>AND CHRIS CHRISTIE, YOU HAVE KNOWN MICHAEL FOR AWHILE, AND WE ARE SEEING A HUMBLED MICHAEL COHEN BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE TODAY.>>NO DOUBT.>>A LOT OF THE ANECDOTES HAVE THE RING OF TRUTH. >>YES, SO THIS IS AN UNCAFFEINATED MICHAEL COHEN TODAY, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN RESPONSE TO WHAT TERRY SAID, YOU KNOW, I COULD SAY FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT THERE WERE MANY OF US RUNNING IN 2016 WHO THOUGHT — BECAUSE JOHN McCAIN, HE TALKED ABOUT HIM NOT BEING A HERO AND A LOT OF US THOUGHT AT THAT TIME THAT THIS WAS OVER, AND TRUMP WOULD HAVE TO DROP OUT AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM. I DON’T THINK THIS IS NORMAL POLITICS. >>THE GAVEL HAS BEEN STRUCK AGAIN. LET’S HEAR TO THE QUESTIONING.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, YOU HAVE ADMITTED TO LYING ON YOUR TAXES. CORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, YOU ALSO LIED TO BANKS TO GET LOANS. THE PROSECUTORS WROTE, QUOTE, TO SECURE LOANS, COHEN FALSELY UNDERSTATED THE AMOUNT OF DEBT HE WAS IN FOR HIS PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT BASED UPON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU LIED ON FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS. SO YOU LIED TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS NRIN ORDER TO SECU LOANS. YOU LIED ON YOUR TAXES AND TO BANKS, AND CONGRESS. IT SEEMS TO ME THERE IS NOT MUCH YOU WON’T LINE WHEN YOU STAND TO GAIN FROM IT. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK NOTED EACH OF YOUR CRIMES, QUOTE, BEAR COMMON STATISTICS INVOLVING DECEPTION AND BEING MOTIVATED BY YOUR PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. IS YOUR APPEARANCE HERE TODAY MOTIVATED BY YOUR DESIRE TO REMAIN IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT?>>NO, MA’AM.>>YOU HAVE SOUGHT OUT WAYS TO REHABILITATE YOUR IMAGE FROM TAX EVADER BANK SWINDLER AND ALL AROUND LIAR TO AN ALL AROUND TRUTHFUL MAN BY APPEARING BEFORE CABLE NEWS. I’M CONCERNED YOU COULD BE USING YOUR STORY AND THIS CONGRESSIONAL PLATFORM FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT SUCH AS A DESIRE TO MAKE MONEY FROM BOOK DEALS. SO CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PURSUE A BOOK OR MOVIE DEAL BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>NO.>>YOU CANNOT COMMIT TO MAKING MONEY OFF OF A BOOK OR MOVIE DEAL BASED ON YOUR WORK?>>NO. WHAT I JUST — THERE IS TWO PARTS TO YOUR QUESTION. THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION YOU ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT I HAD SPOKEN TO PEOPLE REGARDING A POSSIBLE BOOK DEAL, AND I HAVE, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOUGHT ME OUT REGARDING A MOVIE DEAL.>>NO, I DIDN’T ASK YOU IF YOU HAD SPOKEN TO THEM — >>THAT’S THE FIRST PART.>>CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU WILL NOT — THAT YOU HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PURSUE A BOOK DEAL?>>AND I WILL NOT DO THAT, NO.>>OKAY. CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU WILL NOT PURSUE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE COMMENTARY FOR A MAJOR NEWS NETWORK BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>NO.>>CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU WILL NOT PURSUE POLITICAL OFFICE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK?>>NO.>>SO YOU DON’T COMMIT TO CHANGING YOUR WAYS BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE YOUR BACKGROUND AS A LIAR, A CHEATER, A CONVICTED LIAR TO MAKE MONEY. THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.>>AND THAT’S GOING TO GET ME A BOOK DEAL AND A MOVIE DEAL AND TELEVISION AND A SPOT ON TELEVISION? I DON’T THINK SO.>>WELL, IT APPEARS THAT IT WILL. I YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME.>>THANK THE LADY FOR YIELDING. IN YOUR STATEMENT TO THE COURT IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU SAID, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES WHO DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. APPROXIMATELY A MONTH LATER, BUZZFEED NEWS RAN A STORY THAT WAS THE STORY IN THE COUNTRY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. BUZZFEED’S STORY RAN JANUARY 17, 2019. ON JANUARY 18th, YOUR COUNSEL WENT ON TV AND WOULDN’T CONFIRM OR DENY THE STORY. THE NEXT DAY, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE DID SOMETHING THAT’S NEVER HAPPENED, NEVER HAPPENED. THEY SAID THE DESCRIPTION OF THE SPECIFIC STATEMENTS TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND THE DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY OBTAINED BY THIS OFFICE REGARDING MICHAEL COHEN’S CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY ARE NOT ACCURATE. WHY DIDN’T YOUR LAWYER THE DAY THAT HE’S ON TV WHEN THIS STORY IS THE BIGGEST THING IN THE NEWS AND THE COUNTRY, WHY DIDN’T HE DENY THE BUZZFEED STORY?>>BECAUSE I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT. WE ARE NOT THE FACT CHECKERS FOR BUZZFEED.>>HE’S ON TV TO TALK ABOUT THE STORY. YOU COMMITTED TO THE COURT WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO GET YOUR SENTENCE REDUCED THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. YOU HAD THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM THE TRUTH ON A FALSE STORY, THE BUZZFEED STORY AND YOUR LAWYER DIDN’T SAY A THING. ACTUALLY HE SAID THIS. I CAN’T CONFIRM. I CAN’T DENY. YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD THE JUDGE YOU WERE GOING TO DO ONE MONTH AFTER YOU SAID IT AND YOU DIDN’T DO IT. WHY NOT?>>AGAIN, IT WASN’T OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THE FACT CHECKER FOR THE NEWS AGENCIES.>>THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN THE COUNTRY.>>THE PRESIDENT SAYS SO FAR — >>LET ME SAY ONE THING. I GOT EIGHT SECONDS. I’LL LET YOU FINISH.>>CHAIRMAN — >>THE SPECIAL COUNSEL SAID SOMETHING THEY HAVE NEVER DONE. THEY SAID THAT STORY WAS FALSE. NOW YOU CAN RESPOND.>>OKAY. MY RESPONSE. THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD SOMETHING OVER 9,000 LIES TO DATE. DO I ASK MR. DAVIS OR MR. MONACO OR DO I GO ON TELEVISION IN ORDER TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES? THE ANSWER IS — >>WHEN YOU GO ON TO TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC SUBJECT, YOU SHOULD.>>THE ANSWER IS NO, AND I WOULD LIKE — >>GENTLEMEN. TIME IS — LISTEN UP. THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY FINISH ANSWERING THE QUESTION, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO GO TO MR. CONNELLY.>>ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS I FIND IT INTERESTING, SIR, THAT BETWEEN YOURSELF AND YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT NOT ONE QUESTION SO FAR SINCE I’M HERE HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. THAT’S ACTUALLY WHY I THOUGHT I WAS COMING TODAY. NOT TO — NOT TO CONFESS THE MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE. I HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT, AND I’LL DO IT AGAIN EVERY TIME YOU ASK ME ABOUT TAXES OR MISTAKES. YES, I MADE MY MISTAKES. I’LL SAY IT NOW AGAIN, AND I’M GOING TO PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE, BUT I’M NOT HERE TODAY AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T CARE ABOUT MY TAXES. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT I KNOW ABOUT MR. TRUMP AND NOT ONE QUESTION SO FAR HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT MR. TRUMP.>>MR. CONNELLY.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WELL, MR. COHEN, BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY AND YOUR TEN-YEAR EXPERIENCE, I THINK YOU CAN RECOGNIZE THE BEHAVIOR YOU’RE BEING SUBJECTED TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. THE SLANDER, ANY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO PREVENT YOUR TESTIMONY FROM STICKING. THE IDEA THAT A WITNESS WOULD COME TO US WHO IS FLAWED AND YOU SURG CERTAINLY ARE FLAWED, MEANS THEY CAN NEVER TELL THE TRUTH AND THERE IS NO VALIDITY WHATSOEVER TO A SINGLE WORD THEY SAY WOULD DISCREDIT EVERY SINGLE CRIMINAL TRIAL OF ORGANIZED CRIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE ALL OF THEM DEPEND ON SOMEONE WHO HAS TURNED. IT WOULD MAKE RICO NULL AND VOID. WE COULDN’T USE IT ANYMORE. THIS CONGRESS HISTORICALLY HAS RELIED ON ALL KINDS OF SHADY DIGGERS WHO TURNED. ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS WHO LED TO THE DECAPITATION OF ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILIES IN AMERICA, JOE VELACCI, HE COMMITTED A LOT WORSE CRIMES THAN YOU’RE CONVICTED OF, MR. COHEN. SO DON’T BE FOOLED BY WHAT MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE TRYING TO DO TODAY. IT IS DO EVERYTHING BUT FOCUS ON THE PRINCIPLE KNOWN AS INDIVIDUAL NUMBER 1 IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AS I RECALL. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. COHEN?>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>NOW MR. COHEN, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT’S NOT IN YOUR TESTIMONY AND SO FAR HAS NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC. IN OUR COMMITTEE STAFF SEARCH OF DOCUMENTS PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE THAT WERE OTHERWISE REDACTED OR ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC AND I GUESS THE WHITE HOUSE THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNNY, THEY MADE ONE MISTAKE, THE WHITE HOUSE. THERE WAS AN E-MAIL FROM A SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT WHO A DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL AND THE E-MAIL IS DATED MAY 16, 2017, AND IT SAYS, AND I QUOTE, POTUS, MEANING THE PRESIDENT, REQUESTED A MEETING ON THURSDAY WITH MICHAEL COHEN AND J. SECSEKULOW. ANY IDEA WHAT THIS MIGHT BE ABOUT? DO YOU REALLY BEING ASKED TO COME TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON OR AROUND THAT TIME? WITH MR. SEKULOW? MAY OF 2017. TH THERE IS NO — THERE IS NO DEAL. HE GOES, IT’S ALL A WITCH HUNT AND HE GOES, THIS STUFF HAS TO END.>>DID YOU TAKE THOSE COMMENTS TO BE SUGGESTIVE OF WHAT MIGHT FLAVOR YOUR TESTIMONY?>>SIR, HE HAS BEEN SAYING THAT TO ME FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED ME TO SAY.>>AND WHY WAS MR. SEKULOW IN THE MEETING?>>BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO BE REPRESENTING MR. TRUMP GOING FORWARD AS ONE OF HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEYS IN THIS MATTER. >>SORT OF A HANDOFF MEETING. >>CORRECT.>>IN ANY WAY — FINAL QUESTION. DID THE PRESIDENT IN ANY WAY COACH YOU IN TERMS OF HOW TO RE RESPOND TO QUESTIONS OR THE CONTENT OF YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HOUSE COMMITTEE?>>AGAIN, IT’S DIFFICULT TO ANSWER BECAUSE HE DOESN’T TELL YOU WHAT HE WANTS. WHAT HE DOES IS — AGAIN, MICHAEL, THERE IS NO RUSSIA. THERE IS NO COLLUSION. THERE IS NO INVOLVEMENT. THERE’S NO INTERFERENCE. I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR SO LONG. SO IF YOU ARE ASKING ME WHETHER OR NOT THAT’S THE MESSAGE THAT’S STAYING ON POINT, THAT’S THE PARTY LINE THAT HE CREATED THAT SO MANY OTHERS ARE NOW TOUTING, YES. THAT’S THE MESSAGE THAT HE WANTED TO RE-ENFORCE.>>THE TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>THANK YOU.>>MR. COHEN, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT AT TIMES YOU WOULD DO WHAT YOU THOUGHT MR. TRUMP WANTED YOU TO DO, NOT SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE TOLD YOU TO DO?>>AT TIMES, YES.>>SO YOU JUST WEPT ON YOUR INTUITION?>>I DON’T KNOW IF I WOULD CALL IT INTUITION AS MUCH AS I WOULD JUST SAY MY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE WANTED BECAUSE IT HAPPENED BEFORE, AND I KNEW WHAT HE HAD WANTED. >>DOES A LAWYER HAVE A DUTY TO PROVIDE HIS CLIENT WITH GOOD LEGAL ADVICE?>>YES.>>WERE AWEYOU A GOOD LAWYER TO. TRUMP?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>WHEN YOU ARRANGED A PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORD, I’LL QUOTE SOOM YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOU DID SO, QUOTE, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. YOU SAID THAT, UNQUOTE. THAT’S YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. YOU SAID YOU DIDN’T EVEN CONSIDER WHETHER IT WAS LEGAL. HOW COULD YOU GIVE YOUR CLIENT LEGAL ADVICE WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING WHETHER IT’S LEGAL?LEGA>>I DID WHAT I KNEW MR. TRUMP WANTED. THIS CONVERSATION WITH MR. TRUMP — >>I DIDN’T ASK WERE YOU A GOOD FIXER? I ASKED WHETHER YOU WERE A GOOD LAWYER.>>SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MELD BOTH TOGETHER. I NEEDED TO AT THAT TIME, ENSURE AND PROTECT MR. TRUMP, AND IF I PUT MY — WHICH I’M CLEARLY, CLEARLY SUFFERING THE PENALTY OF OF. I CLEARLY — >>SO YOU FEEL LIKE WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER IT WAS PROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BY IGNORING ANY CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE, THAT YOU WERE PROTECTING MR. TRUMP.>>I’M SORRY, SIR. I DON’T UNDERSTAND.>>YOU FEEL THAT WAS HOW TO PROTECT — AS HIS LAWYER, YOU FEEL THAT YOU DID A GOOD JOB. YOU SAID YOU WERE A GOOD LAWYER, RIGHT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>IS THAT BEING A GOOD LAWYER TO NOT EVEN CONSIDER WHETHER IT’S LEGAL OR NOT?>>I DIDN’T WORK FOR THE CAMPAIGN.CA I WAS WORKING AND I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP.>>YOU SAY –>>>>I SAT WITH MR. TRUMP AND THIS GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2011. THIS WASN’T THE FIRST SCENARIO WITH MISS DANIELS.>>LET’S GO BACK.>>SO MY POINT — MY POINT IS THIS IS — THIS WAS AN ONGOING SITUATION.SI IT DIDN’T JUST START IN — >>OKAY.>>YOU HAVE TO LET ME FINISH. IT DIDN’T START IN OCTOBER. IT STARTED MANY YEARS EARLIER.>>WHEN WERE YOU DISBARRED?>>YESTERDAY FROM WHAT I READ IN THE PAPER.>>YESTERDAY. WHEN SHOULD YOU HAVE BEEN DISBARRED BASED ON THE LEGAL COUNSEL YOU WERE GIVING YOUR CLIENT?>>I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOUR QUESTION, SIR.>>HOW LONG WERE YOU COUNSEL FOR MR. TRUMP?>>SINCE 2007.>>WHEN IS THE FIRST TIME YOU GAVE HIM BAD LEGAL ADVICE OR FAILED TO INFORM HIM OF HIS LEGAL OBLIGATIONS AS YOU TE TESTIFIED TODAY YOU DID IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORD? WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU DID THAT? WOULD THAT QUALIFY FOR DISBARMENT?>>I DON’T KNOW, SIR. I’M NOT THE BAR ASSOCIATION.>>I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSULT WITH THEM MAYBE OCCASIONALLY ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.>>WELL, THERE IS NO POINT NOW. I LOST MY LAW LICENSE.>>HAS ANYBODY ELSE PROMISED TO PAY MR. DAVIS FOR REPRESENTING YOU?>>NO.>>NOBODY HAS?>>NO. ARE YOU OFFERING?>>QUESTION QUICKLY. YOU SAID, AND THIS IS ALSO IN YOUR TESTIMONY, IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CO CONVENTION, YOU BECAME PRIVY TO A CONVERSATION THAT SOME OF HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAILS WOULD BE LEAKED. IS THAT CORRECT?>>CORRECT.>>OKAY. WAS THAT — YOU SAID LATE JULY. DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT DAY?>>I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER THE 18th OR THE 19th AND I WOULD GUESS THAT IT WOULD BE ON THE 19th.>>BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY JULY?>>I BELIEVE SO, YES.>>DO YOU KNOW THAT WAS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE IN JUNE? THIS WAS MR. ASSANGE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THIS UN UNANIMOUS — I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD. MR. ASSANGE REPORTED TO THE T E-MAIL ON JUNE 12th THOSE E E-MAILS WOULD BE LEAKED. I’M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE FAKE NEWS, BUT YOU HAVE OLD NEWS AND THERE IS REALLY NOT MUCH TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO MR. HIGGINS.>>THANK YOU, SIR. MR. COHEN, YOU KNOW, I’M QUOTING YOU AS CLOSE AS I CAN EARLIER. I SPENT LAST WEEK LOOKING THROUGH BOXES TO FIND DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT YOUR ACCUSATIONS. WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES, GOOD SIR? WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES? ARE THEY IN YOUR GARAGE?>>>>THEY’RE IN STORAGE.>>AND ARE THESE NOT BOXES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES DURING THE INVESTIGATIONS YOU HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO?>>THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE RETURNED TO ME SINCE THE RAID.>>SHOULD THEY NOT HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER OR REMANDED TO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES?>>D THEY KNOW OF THESE BOXES?>>TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>U MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND HIS QUESTION, SIR.>>MR. COHEN, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS FOR CONVENING THIS HEARING AND THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTARILY TESTIFYING THIS MORNING. YOU WERE THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, , CORRECT?>>I WAS THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT SPECIAL COUNSEL TO DO DONALD J. TRUMP.>>AND SPECIAL COUNSEL MEANS YOU WERE THE ATTORNEY FOR HIM. IS THAT RIGHT?>>IT JUST MEANS I WAS THERE IN ORDER TO HANDLE MATTERS THAT HE FELT WERE SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT TO HIM INDIVIDUALLY. >>AND THOSE INCLUDED LEGAL MATTERS?>>YES, SIR.>>SIR, AS A FORMER ATTORNEY, YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH LEGAL DOCUMENTS KNOWN AS NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS OR NDAs?>>YES.>>I’M SURE YOU KNOW THAT NDAs REOPERLY WRITTEN IN SCOPE CAN BE REASONABLE IN CERTAIN BUSINESS CONTEXTS, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE ABUSED TO CREATE A CHILLING EFFECT TO SILENCE PEOPLE AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE ME TOO MOVEMENT AND OTHER PLACES. ISN’T THAT RIGHT, MR. COHEN?>>YES.>>AND MR. COHEN, THE TRUMP OR ORGANIZATION USED NDAs EXTENSIVELY. ISN’T THAT RIGHT?>>>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>>>MR. COHEN, I’M READING FROM A RECENT “WASHINGTON POST” ARTICLE IN ONE OF THESE TYPES OF NDAs WHERE THE TERMS WERE BROAD. THE TERMS’ WAS QUOTE, MR. TRUMP INSISTS PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THE PERSONAL LIFE, POLITICAL AFFAIRS AND/OR BUSINESS AFATFAIRS OF MR TRUMP OR ANY FAMILY MEMBER, CLOSE QUOTE. DO THOSE TERMS SOUND FAMILIAR T? YOU?>>I HAVE SEEN THAT DOCUMENT.>>IN FACT, THERE IS A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED THIS MONTH BY FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN WORKER, JESSICA DENSON THAT THIS NDA LANGUAGE IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT IS TOO BROAD, TWO VAGUE AND WOULD BE USED TO RETALIATE AGAINST EMPLOYEES WHO COMPLAIN OF ILLEGALITY OR WRONGDOING. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IN THE USE ND THE NDA — OF THESE TYPES OF NDAs WITH THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AND LATER WHEN DONALD TRUMP SOUGHT TO ENFORCE THEM THAT HE INTENDED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING FORWARD WITH CLAIMS OF WRONGDOING?>>YES.>>WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE EFFECT OF THE USE OF THESE NDAs WAS TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON PEOPLE OR SILENCE THEM FROM COMING FORWARD?>>I APOLOGIZE. DO YOU WANT TO DEFINE CHILLING — >>IN USING THESE NDAs OR TRYING TO ENFORCE THEM, WOULD BASICALLY TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE SILENT. >>THAT WAS THE GOAL.>>AND NOTHING AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WAS EVER DONE UNLESS IT WAS RUN THROUGH PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, CORRECT?>>THAT’S 100% CERTAIN.>>OKAY. MR. COHEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE TODAY EITHER FROM THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS OR PERSONAL LIFE WHO ARE NOT COMING FORWARD TO TELL THEIR STORIES OF WRONGDOING BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT’S USE OF NDAs AGAINST THEM?>>I’M SORRY, SIR. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.>>OKAY. SIR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WHEN WAS THE LAST COMMUNICATION WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP OR SOMEONE ACTING ON HIS BEHALF? DA I DON’T HAVE THE SPECIFIC >>TE, BUT IT WAS AWHILE AGO.>>OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL TIME FRAME?>>I WOULD SUSPECT IT WAS WITHIN TWO MONTHS POST THE RAID OF MY HOME AND HOTEL.>>EARLY FALL OF LAST YEAR GE GENERALLY?>>GENERALLY.>>AND WHAT DID HE OR HIS AGENT COMMUNICATE TO YOU?>>UNFORTUNATELY, THIS TOPIC IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT’S BEINGN INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED BY THEM NO NOT TO DISCUSS IT AND NOT TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.>>FAIR ENOUGH. IS THERE ANY OTHER WRONGDOING OR ILLEGAL ACT THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF REGARDING DONALD TRUMP THAT WE HAVEN’T YET DISCUSSED TODAY?>>YES, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION THAT’S CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>SIR, CONGRESSMAN COOPER ASKED YOU ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY PHYSICAL VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ABUSING ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT, NO.>>DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING DELINQUENT ON ALIMONY OR CHILD CARE PAYMENTS?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THAT.>>DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ARRANGING ANY HEALTH CARE PROCEDURES FOR ANY WOMEN NOT IN HIS FAMILY?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT, NO.>>THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK.>>THANK YOU.>>MR. GLOUD.>>THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.>>OU, CH. MR. COHEN, CAN YOU TELL ME THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MAY 6th?>>IN TERMS OF, SIR?>>A COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM NOW.>>THAT’S THE DAY THAT I NEED TO SURRENDER TO FEDERAL PRISON. >>YES, SIR. CAN YOU FOR THE RECORD, STATE WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN CONVICT OF?>I>>I HAVE BEEN CONVICTED ON FIVE COUNTS OF TAX EVASION. THERE IS ONE COUNT OF MISREPRESENTATION OF DOCUMENTS TO BANK. THERE’S TWO COUNTS, ONE DEALING WITH CAMPAIGN FINANCE FOR KAREN McDOUGAL, ONE COUNT OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION FOR STORMY DANIELS AS WELL AS LYING TO CONGRESS.>>THANK YOU. CAN YOU STATE WHAT YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE WITH THE CAMPAIGN WAS?>>I DID NOT HAVE A CAMPAIGN TITLE. >>AND YOUR POSITION IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?>>I DID NOT HAVE ONE.>>OKAY, AND TODAY’S TESTIMONY YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE NOT LOOKING TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IN THEIR STATEMENT, THEIR SENTENCING MEMO SAYS THIS. COHEN’S CRIMINAL ELECTION WAS STIRRED BY HIS OWN AMBITION AND GREED. COHEN PRIVATELY TOLD FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES AND INCLUDING SEIZED TEXT MESSAGES THAT EXPECTED TO BE GIVEN A PROMINENT ROLE IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION. WHEN THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE, COHEN FOUND A WAY TO MONETIZE HIS RELATIONSHIP IN EXCESS WITH THE PRESIDENT. SO WERE THEY LYING OR WERE YOU LYING TODAY?>>I’M NOT SAYING IT’S A LIE. I’M JUST SAYING IT’S NOT ACCURATE. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I RETAINED — I BROUGHT AN ATTORNEY AND I SAT WITH MR. TRUMP WITH HIM FOR WELL OVER AN HOUR, EXPLAINING THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A PERSONAL ATTORNEY THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAS HAD ONE IN ORDER TO HANDLE MATTERS LIKE THE MATTERS I WAS DEALING WITH, WHICH INCLUDED SOME — >>I HAVE MY TIME.>>OTHER PERSONAL MATTERS. >>EXCUSE ME. THIS IS MY TIME. AS UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO SUBMIT H THIS MEMO FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FOR THE RECORD.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION.>>ALL RIGHT.I’ I’LL GIVE THAT TO YOU IN A SECOND. OKAY. THIS MEMO STATES THAT YOU COMMITTED FOUR DISTINCT FEDERAL CRIMES OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS. YOU WERE MOTIVATED TO DO SO BY PERSONAL GREED AND REPEAT DEDLY USED YOUR POWER OF INFLUENCE FOE DECEPTIVE ENDS. IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT YOU WERE — THAT THEY EACH INVOLVED — THEY WERE DISTINCT IN THEIR ARMS AND THEIR COMMON SET OF CHARACTERISTICS AND INVOLVED DECEPTION AND WERE EACH MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. THERE IS A LOT WE DON’T KNOW IN REGARDS TO THIS INVESTIGATION, BUT HERE’S WHAT WE DO KNOW. WE KNOW THAT YOU WERE EXPECTING A JOB AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND IN DIDN’T GET IT. YOU MADE MILLIONS LYING ABOUT YOUR CLOSE ACCESS TO THE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING FOR GAIN INCLUDING BANKS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOUR FAMILY, TO THE CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU DID ALL THIS OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY TO MR. TRUMP, BUT YOUR SENTENCING MEMO STATES THIS. THIS IS NOT AN ACT OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY AS COHEN SUGGESTED. HE WAS DRIVEN BY A DESIRE TO FURTHER INTEGRATE HIMSELF FOR HI HIS POLITICAL SUCCESS COHEN WHAIMED CREDIT FOR. WHERE IN A SEARCH FOR TRUTH, AND I DON’T KNOW, CHAIRMAN, HOW WE’RE SUPPOSED TO ASCERTAIN THE TRUTH IN A QUAGMIRE OF A HEARING WHEN THE BEST WITNESS HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING BEFORE US, AND WHAT’S SAD IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT BEFORE. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PROMINENT POSITIONS FAIL AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, THEY GET A BOOK DEAL. YOU’RE SET TO GO TO JAIL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND COME OUT WITH A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BOOK DEAL. THAT’S NOT BAD LIVING, AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS WILL YOU TODAY — WILL YOU TODAY COMMIT TO DONATE ANY FURTHER PROCEEDS TO BOOK DEALS, TO FILM REVIEWS TO CHARITY?>>NO.>>THANK YOU.>>WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD?>>MAY I FINISH?>>THE GENTLEMAN YIELD. I YIELD TO MR. MED AMEADOWS.>>MAY I FINISH –>>>>HE HAS YIELDED TO ME.>>I DIDN’T FINISH, SIR. MY RESPONSE.>>LISTEN.>>I’M ASKING THE CHAIRMAN — MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I FINISH MY RESPOND PLEASE.>>I’LL LET YOU RESPOND, BUT LISTEN, PLEASE.>>YOUR LIES IN THE PAST, I’M CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR LIES TODAY. UNDER YOUR TESTIMONY JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO TO ME, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES AND YET WE HAVE A TRUTH AND TESTIMONY DISCLOSURE FORM WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO LIST THOSE FOREIGN CONTRACTS FOR THEA LAST TWO YEARS, AND YOU PUT N/A ON THERE, AND IT’S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT HAVE THAT ACCURATELY. SO WHEN WERE YOU LYING? EITHER IN THE TESTIMONY TO ME EARLIER TODAY OR WHETHER YOU FILLED OUT THE FORM?>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. MR. COHEN, YOU MAY ANSWER HIS QUESTION AND THEN WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO SAY ON THAT OTHER STATEMENT.>>HIS QUESTION — I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIS QUESTION — >>NO NO, NO, NO. MR. CHAIRMAN.>>AS IT RELATES –>>>>GENTLEMAN IS OUT OF ORDER. HE SAYS HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ANSWER.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN WE WERE IN THE MAJORITY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN — HOLD ON.>>THE GENTLEMAN SAID HE DOESN’T HAVE AN ANSWER AND YOU HAVE GONE OVER YOUR TIME.>>HE’S UNDER OATH. >>HE’S UNDER OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH. ONE OF THEM IS NOT ACCURATE.>>YOU WILL HAVE TIME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>JUST A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST A QUESTION.>>MR. RASKIN. R>>MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPOSURE TODAY. OUR COLLEAGUES ARE NOT UPSET BECAUSE YOU LIED TO CONGRESS FOR THE PRESIDENT. THEY’RE UPSET BECAUSE YOU STOPPED LYING TO CONGRESS FOR THE PRESIDENT. NOW YOU DESCRIBED THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME MONEY-MAKING OPPORTUNITY, THE GREATEST INFOMERCIAL OF ALL-TIME I THINK YOU SAID, AND THIS MAY BE THE MOST TRENCHANT OBSTACLE. DO YOU THINK THE CAMPAIGN OR PRESIDENCY STOPPED BEING ABOUT MAKING MONEY FOR THE PRESIDENT, HIS FAMILY AND HIS ORGANIZATION?>>YES.>>WHEN DID IT STOP BEING THAT?>>WHEN HE WON THE ELECTION.>>AND WHAT DID IT BECOME ABOUT AT THAT POINT?>>THEN IT HAD TO BE ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO HERE IN WASHINGTON.>>CAN YOU CAREFULLY EXPLAIN TO AMERICA HOW THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO KAREN McDOUGAL AND T STORMY DANIELS WORKED? CAN YOU CAREFULLY EXPLAIN WHAT >>TCH AND KILL IS?>>SURE. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL REGARDING BOTH KAREN McDOUGAL AS WELL AS STORMY DANIELS OBVIOUSLY AT DIFFERENT TIMES STATING THAT THERE WERE ISSUES THAT WERE GOING TO BE DAMAGING TO MR. TRUMP WITH THE STORMY DANIELS — IT STARTED IN 2011 WHEN SHE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING REMOVED FROM A WEBSITE AND THAT WAS THEI FIRST TIME I MET KEITH DAVIDSON, HER THEN-ACTING ATTORNEY, AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING IT TA TAKEN DOWN FROM THE WEBSITE. IT WASN’T UNTIL YEARS LATER, RIGHT AROUND THE TIME OF THE CAMPAIGN DID THEY COME BACK AND THEY ASK.WH WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW BECAUSE SHE’S BACK ON THE TRAIL TRYING TO SELL THE STORY? AT WHICH POINT IN TIME, DAVID BECKER ON BEHALF OF “THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER” REACHED OUT TO HER AND HER ATTORNEY IN ORDER TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT DETECTOR TESTS THAT WOULD PROVEH THAT SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. THEY THEN CONTACTED ME AND TOLDE ME THAT SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AT WHICH POINT, AGAIN — >>SHE TOOK A LIE DETECTOR TEST?>>SHE ALLEGEDLY TOOK A LIE DETECTOR TEST AND WAS SEEN BY AN EMPLOYEE OF “THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER,” WHICH AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I EXPLAINED WHY IT’S DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER TIME. >>WERE THERE OTHER WOMEN PAID HUSH MONEY BY DONALD TRUMP? WAS THIS STANDARD OPERATING PRACTICE?>>NO.>>YOU’RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CASES IT HAD TAKEN PLACE?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY CASES THAT MR. TRUMP PAID. THAT BRINGS US TO KAREN McDOUGAL. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY $150,000 FOR THE LIFE STORY OF KAREN McDOUGAL. FOR WHATEVER THE REASON MAY BE, HE ELECTED NOT TO PAY IT.DA DAVID PECKER WAS VERY ANGRY BECAUSE THERE WAS ALSO OTHER MO MONEYS THAT DAVID HAD EXPENDED ON HIS BEHALF. UNFORTUNATELY, DAVID NEVER GOT PAID BACK FOR THAT EITHER.>>SO DAVID PECKER HAD DONE THIS IN OTHER CASES OF OTHER MI MISTRESSES OR WOMEN?>>OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, YES.>>OKAY.>>NOT ALL OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH WOMEN.>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE AT O HOME OR ABROAD THAT MAY HAVE SUBJECTED HIM OR MAY SUBJECT HIM TO EXTORTION OR BLACKMAIL?>>I AM NOT, NO.>>OKAY. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY VIDEO TAPES THAT MAY BE THE SUBJECT OF EX EXTORTION OR BLACKMAIL?>>I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THESE TAPES FOR A LONG TIME. I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE CONTACT ME OVER THE YEARS.I I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT TAPE EXISTS.>>IN DECEMBER, 2015, DONALD TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS RE RELATIONSHIP WITH FELIX SADER, AND HE REPLIED, HAVE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT I’M NOT THAT FA FAMILIAR WITH HIM. WHY DID HE ENDEAVOR TO HIDE HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH FELIX SADER AND WHAT WAS THAT RELATIONSHIP?>>HE HAD A RELATIONSHIP. FELIX WAS A PARTNER WITH A COMPANY CALLED BAYROCK THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL OF THE TRUMP SOHO HOTEL AS WELL AS I BELIEVE THE TRUMP FT. LAUDERDALE PROJECT. WHY DID HE WANT TO DISTANCE HIMSELF? THAT’S WHAT MR. TRUMP DOES. HE DISTANCES HIMSELF WHEN THINGS GO BAD FOR SOMEONE, AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WAS GOING BAD FOR MR. SADER.>>YOU SAID YOU LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT TRUMP’S NEGOTIATIONS TO BUILD HIS MOSCOW TOWER BECAUSE HE HAD MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT HE WANTED YOU TO LIE. ONE OF THE REASONS YOU KNEW THIS IS BECAUSE, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP’S E PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVT IT. SO THIS IS A PRETTY BREATHTAKING CLAIM AND I WANT TO GET TO THE FACTS HERE. WHO REVIEWED AND EDITED YOUR STATEMENT ON THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS AND DID THEY MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR STATEMENT?>>THERE WERE CHANGES MADE, ADDITIONS. J.SEKULOW FOR ONE.ONE.>>ABOUT THE TIMING?>>TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.>>THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES THAT WERE MADE INCLUDING HOW WE WERE GOING TO HANDLE THAT MESSAGE WHICH WAS — >>WILL YOU FINISH?>>THE MESSAGE OF COURSE, BEING THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT STAYED AND REMAINED ALIVE.>>THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES?>>YES.>>FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOMETHING. JUST A LITTLE SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME. YOU STARTED OFF YOUR TESTIMONY AND YOU SAID, I THINK IN RESPONSE TO SOME QUESTION THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I DEALT WITH SEVERAL — PRESIDENT TRUMP SEVERAL TIMES AS HE WAS TRYING TO GET WISCONSIN. HE WAS ALWAYS CONFIDENT.HE HE WAS WORKING VERY HARD, AND THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW HE WAS JUST RUNNING TO RAISE HIS PROFILE FOR SOME FUTURE ADVENTURE AT LEAST IN MY EX EXPERIENCE IS PREPOSTEROUS. I ALMOST FIND IT OFFENSIVE WHEN ANTI-TRUMP PEOPLE IMPLY HE DID THIS ON A LARK AND DIDN’T EXPECT TO WIN. BE THAT AS IT MAY, I FIRST QUESTION CONCERNS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COURT. DO YOU EXPECT — I MEAN RIGHT NO NOW I THINK YOU’RE SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS, CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>DO YOU EXPECT ANY TIME USING THIS TESTIMONY, OTHER TESTIMONY AFTER YOU GET DONE DOING WHATEVER YOU’RE GOING TO DO THIS WEEK, DO YOU EVER EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR ANY SORT OF REDUCTION IN SENTENCE?>>YES. THERE ARE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS CURRENTLY BEING CONDUCTED THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR CONGRESS THAT I AM ASSISTING IN, AND IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RULE 35 MOTION, YES.>>SO YOU EXPECT AND PERHAPS WHAT YOU TESTIFY HERE TODAY WILL AFFECT GOING BACK AND REDUCING THIS WHAT WE THINK IS RELATIVELA A THREE-YEAR SENTENCE. YOU EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR A FURTHER REDUCTION?>>BASED OFF OF MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY? >>WELL, BASED UPON WHATEVER YOU DO BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR REQUEST — >>THE RULE 35 MOTION IS IN THE COMPLETE HANDS OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND THE WAY THE RULE 35 MOTION WORKS ISH WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IS PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION THAT LEADS TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I AM CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW ON SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES OF INVESTIGATION THAT CONCERNS THEM, THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT. IF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS BECOME FRUITFUL, THEN THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR A RULE 35 MOTION, AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE BENEFIT IN TERMS OF TIME WOULD BE. E WOULD BE BUT THIS CONGRESSIONAL HEARING TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE THE BASIS OF A RULE 35 MOTION. I WISH IT WAS, BUT IT’S NOT.>>I’D LIKE TO YIELD SOME TIME TO CONGRESSMAN JORDAN.>>YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA. >>MR. COHEN, I’M GOING TO COME BACK TO THE QUESTION I ASKED BEFORE WITH REGARDS TO YOUR FALSE STATEMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO CONGRESS. ON HERE IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT IT ASKED FOR CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. HAVE YOU HAD ANY FOREIGN CONTRACT WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES, WHETHER IT’S NOVARIS OR THE KOREAN AIRLINE OR KAZAKHSTAN BANK? YOUR TESTIMONY EARLIER SAID YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH THEM. >>I BELIEVE IT TALKS ABOUT LOBBYING. I DID N LOBBYING, ON TOP OF THAT THEY ARE NOT GOVERNMENT — >>I’M NOT ASKING ABOUT LOBBYING. >>THEY ARE NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. THEY ARE PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANIES. >>DO YOU HAVE FOREIGN CONTRACTS?>>I CURRENTLY HAVE NO FOREIGN CONTRACTS. >>DID YOU HAVE FOREIGN CONTRACTS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS?>>FOREIGN CONTRACTS?>>CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES. >>YES. >>WHY DIDN’T YOU PUT THEM ON THE FORM? IT SAYS IT’S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT PUT THEM ON THE FORM FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. WHY DID YOU NOT DO THAT?>>BAECAUSE THEY’RE NOT GOVERNMENT COMPANIES. >>IT SAYS NONGOVERNMENTAL. YOU SIGNED IT — >>TALKING ABOUT ME BEING NONGOVERNMENT?>>IT SAYS FOREIGN CONTRACTS. DO YOU WANT US TO READ IT TO YOU?>>I READ IT AND IT WAS REVIEWED BY MY COUNSEL AND I AM A NONGOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE. IT WAS NOT LOBBYING AND THEY ARE NOT — >>IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOBBYING. IT’S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT LIST ALL YOUR FOREIGN CONTRACTS, THAT’S WHAT IT SAYS.>>THEN I’M GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BEFORE I LEAVE AND HOPEFULLY I WILL AMEND IT PRIOR TO LEAVING BECAUSE THAT’S NOT THE WAY I READ YOUR DOCUMENT.>>YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE, MR. COHEN, OF YOUR SKIRTING THE TRUTH. I WANT TO ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. >>SIR — >>ONE OTHER QUESTION, MR. COHEN. IT’S MY TIME, NOT YOURS. WERE YOU ADVISED OR YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED TO WITHHOLD YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE WAS JOHN DEAN SAID LAST NIGHT ON CNN?>>WAS IT MY WHAT?>>WERE YOU ADVISED OR WAS YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED TO WITHHOLD YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE TO GET IT TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE AS JOHN DEAN SAID THAT HE ADVISED YOU? YES OR NO?>>NO. WE WERE WORKING — >>YOU WERE NEVER ADVISED — >>JOHN DEAN, I’VE NEVER SPOKEN TO JOHN DEAN. >>HAS HE SPOKEN TO YOUR ATTORNEY. >>I DON’T KNOW. >>ASK YOUR ATTORNEY. HE’S RIGHT THERE. >>WE WERE WORKING LAST NIGHT UNTIL 11:00 OR 12:00 AT NIGHT. >>YOU’VE KNOWN THAT YOU WERE COMING FOR SOME TIME — >>WE WERE WORKING UNTIL 11:00, 12:00 LAST NIGHT TO FINISH EVERYTHING. >>SO YOU WERE WRITING IT LAST NIGHT, MR. COHEN? DON’T GIVE ME THAT BULL. >>WE WERE MAKING EDITS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. I’M SORRY.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, IN NOVEMBER OF 2013 PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN A LAWSUIT RELATED TO THE FAILED REAL ESTATE PROJECT, TRUMP INTERNATIONAL HOTEL AND TOWER IN FT. LAUDERDALE. DURING THE DEPOSITION, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OF FELIX SATER, A RUSSIAN BORN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER WHO, ACCORDING TO PRESS REPORTS, PLED GUILTY TO HIS ROLE IN A STOCK MANIPULATION SCHEME. THE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN MAFIA AND THE KREMLIN IS WELL PUBLICIZED. OVER THE YEARS PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED HOW MANY TIMES HE INTEREST ACTED WITH CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SATER. IN 2013 PRESIDENT TRUMP TESTIFIED THAT, QUOTE, NOT MANY. IF HE WERE SITTING IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW I REALLY WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE, UNQUOTE. MR. COHEN, AS YOU PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED, ISN’T IT TRUE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SATER IN 2013 WHEN HE MADE THAT STATEMENT?>>YES.>>ISN’T IT TRUE THAT BECAUSE OF MR. SATER’S RELATIONSHIP TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION THAT HE HAD AN OFFICE IN THE TRUMP TOWER?>>AND ON THE 26th FLOOR. >>THE 26th FLOOR IS IMPORTANT WHY?>>BECAUSE IT’S MR. TRUMP’S FLOOR. >>SO HE HAD AN OFFICE ON THE SAME FLOOR AS PRESIDENT TRUMP?>>IN FACT, HIS OFFICE, WHEN HE LEFT, BECAME MY OFFICE.>>ISN’T IT ALSO TRUE THAT CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER, SATER, EVEN HAD BUSINESS CARDS INDICATING THAT HE WAS A SENIOR ADVISER TO DONALD TRUMP AS REPORTED BY T”THE WASHINGTON PO POST”?>>YES.>>DID CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER SATER PAY RENT FOR HIS OFFICE?>>NO, HE DID NOT.>>SO BASED ON THOSE FACTS, ISN’T IT TRUE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MISLED AT BEST OR WORST LIED UNDER OATH?>>YES.>>IN DECEMBER OF 2015 PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED AGAIN ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP TO CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER, MR. SATER, BY A REPORTER FOR THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. HE STATED, QUOTE, FELIX SATER, BOY, I HAVE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, UNQUOTE. HE ADDED, QUOTE, I’M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH HIM, UNQUOTE. MR. COHEN, WHERE WOULD WE FIND BUSINESS RECORDS THAT EXPLAIN THE PRESIDENT’S RELATIONSHIP TO THE CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER, FELIX SATER? WOULD THOSE BE IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION’S FILES?>>THEY WOULD BE IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION’S FILES. THERE WOULD BE CCs TO BAY ROCK WHICH IS THE NAME OF MR. SATER’S COMPANY, I SUSPECT ON MR. SATER’S E-MAIL ADDRESS, POSSIBLY HARD FILES IN POSSESSION OF MR. SATER.>>AND WHEN YOU SAY IN POSSESSION OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, WHERE?>>IT DEPENDS UPON WHO THE ATTORNEY WAS THAT WAS WORKING ON IT. NOW IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A BOX OFF SITE. THEY HAVE STORAGE FACILITIES THAT THEY PUT OLD FILES. >>IN ADDITION TO CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER SATER, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER TIES TO CONVICTED OR ALLEGED MOBSTERS PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY HAVE?>>I’M NOT AWARE.>>ISN’T IT TRUE THAT MANY PEOPLE WITH TIES TO RUSSIA ULTIMATELY BOUGHT CONDOS IN TRUMP PROPERTIES USUALLY FOR CASH, AND IF SO, HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING? 10, 20, 50?>>HONESTLY, SIR, I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY. THE STATEMENT YOU’RE REFERRING TO I BELIEVE WAS MADE BY ERIC OR DON, AND I DON’T AGREE WITH IT. >>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CASH PURCHASES BY RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF TRUMP PROPERTIES?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT. WHEN YOU SAY CASH, WALKING IN WITH A SATCHEL OF RUBLES, THE ANSWER IS I’VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN. I’VE NEVER HEARD OF IT. I WILL TELL YOU WHEN WE SOLD MR. TRUMP’S PROPERTY IN PALM BEACH, THE HOME FOR $95 MILLION, IT CAME IN BY WIRE. THAT CAME FROM THE BANK ACCOUNT.>>ONE OTHER QUESTION, YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP DOING NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN REGARDING THE TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW. WAS HE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS, AND IF SO, HOW DO YOU KNOW?>>THE ANSWER IS YES, AND AS IT RELATES TO NEGOTIATIONS IT WAS MERELY FOLLOWUPS AS TO WHAT’S CURRENTLY HAPPENING, WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH RUSSIA, MEANING HE WANTED ME TO GIVE HIM A STATUS REPORT. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT THE PROJECT NEVER ADVANCED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNABLE — MR. SATER WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH PROOF THAT SOMEBODY OWNED OR CONTROLLED A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD ON. >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME AS EXPIRED.>>MR. COHEN, WHY DID MR. TRUMP CHOOSE TO HIRE YOU, AND WHY DID HE TRUST YOU WITH THE VARIOUS TASKS THAT YOU PERFORMED FOR HIM?>>I DON’T KNOW, SIR. YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.>>WELL, WE’VE HEARD HERE THAT YOU HAVE BAD CHARACTER, YOU’VE ADMITTED TO THAT OVER THE YEARS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE CHOSE TO HIRE YOU?>>IN 2006 I WAS ASKED BY DON JR. TO COME MEET WITH HIS FATHER. I DID. HE THEN FOLLOWED UP BY ASKING IF I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT AN ISSUE THAT WAS OCCURRING AT TRUMP WORLD TOWER WITH THE BOARD. I WENT AHEAD AND I LOOKED INTO IT AND I FOUND THAT THE STATEMENTS THAT THE BOARD WERE MAKING ABOUT MR. TRUMP WERE INACCURATE. THE REASON DON CAME TO ME IS BECAUSE I HAD AN APARTMENT THERE FOR INVESTMENT. MY PARENTS HAD AN APARTMENT THERE. MY IN-LAWS LIVED THERE, FRIENDS OF MINE. WE ALL BOUGHT A BIG BLOCK FROM A BROKERAGE COMPANY AND WE GOT A GOOD PRICE ON EACH UNIT. WE ULTIMATELY TURNED OVER THE BOARD AND I BECAME ACTUALLY THE TREASURER OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING WAS GOING TO PUT THE BUILDING INTO BANKRUPTCY. I WAS PROUD TO SAY THAT WITHIN A YEAR WE HAD PLUS $1 MILLION VERSUS MINUS $1.3 MILLION. AT THE END OF THE DAY MR. TRUMP APPRECIATED THAT AND HE TASKED ME WITH SOMETHING ELSE. IT WAS TO HANDLE A PROBLEM THAT DON JR. HAD CREATED IN TERMS OF A BUSINESS, A LICENSE DEAL. WE RESOLVED THAT. THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE THIRD TIME MR. TRUMP HAD ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THIRD TRUMP ENTERTAINMENT RESORT CHAPTER 11 REORGANIZATION BECAUSE HE HAD A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT HE WANTED ANSWERED. I READ THESE TWO STACKED BOOKS, GAVE HIM THE ANSWERS THAT HE NEEDED. WITH THAT, THE NEXT TIME I WAS SITTING IN HIS OFFICE AND HE ASKED ME IF I WAS HAPPY AT THE SLEEPY OLD FIRM THAT I WAS WITH. I SAID YES. HE SAID, WOULD YOU RATHER WORK FOR ME? I ASKED HIM, ARE YOU OFFERING ME A JOB AND HE SAID YEAH. WE NEGOTIATED AND I ACTUALLY NEVER WENT BACK TO MY OFFICE. >>YOU SUGGESTED THAT THE PRESIDENT SOMETIMES COMMUNICATES HIS WISHES INDIRECTLY. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES, END QUOTE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW HE DOES THIS?>>SURE. IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IF I SAID THAT’S THE NICEST LOOKING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN, ISN’T IT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, FIGHT WITH HIM? THE ANSWER IS NO, SO YOU SAY, YEAH, IT’S THE NICEST LOOKING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN. THAT’S HOW HE SPEAKS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU QUESTIONS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU ORDERS. HE SPEAKS IN A CODE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR A DECADE.>>IT’S YOUR IMPRESSION THAT OTHERS WHO WORK FOR HIM UNDERSTAND THE CODE AS WELL?>>MOST PEOPLE, YES.>>MR. COHEN, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU TODAY, BUT I’M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS ONE LAST QUESTION. WHAT IS TRUTH THAT YOU KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP FEARS MOST?>>THAT’S A TOUGH QUESTION, SIR. I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT ONE. WHAT DOES HE FEAR MOST?>>WHAT’S THE TRUTH THAT HE FEARS MOST, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU HERE TODAY. >>IT’S A TOUGH QUESTION, SIR. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHAT PRINCIPLES HAVE YOU CHOSEN TO FOLLOW IN YOUR LIFE AND YOU WISH TO FOLLOW DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES NOW?>>I’VE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE A GOOD PERSON. I’VE TRIED TO BE A GREAT FRIEND. THERE WERE MANY — I THINK OVER 40 STATEMENTS WRITTEN IN MY SUPPORT TO THE SENTENCING JUDGE. I HAVE FRIENDS WHO I TREAT INCREDIBLY WELL THAT I KNOW FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND I TREAT PEOPLE AFTER 40 MINUTES THE SAME EXACT WAY. AM I PERFECT, NO. DO I MAKE MISTAKES, YES. HAVE I MADE MISTAKES, ABSOLUTELY. I’M GOING TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR IT. BUT ALL I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO GET MY LIFE BACK, TO PROTECT MY WIFE AND MY CHILDREN, SUPPORT AND GROW OLD. THAT’S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I’D LIKE TO BE.>>DO YOU FEEL YOU’RE FOLLOWING A DIFFERENT SET OF PRINCIPLE NOW THAN YOU’VE FOLLOWED THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE?>>I DO. AND I’M TRYING. I’M TRYING VERY HARD. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO TRY TO SHOW SOME REDEMPTION. I AM TRYING. I AM TRYING.>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO MENTION REALLY QUICK A CLARIFICATION ON THE TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM. THE MENTION WAS AROUND WHETHER IT TALKS ABOUT FOREIGN ENTITIES AT ALL AND THE QUESTION IS, IN FACT, WHETHER WITNESSES HAVE ANY CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS ORIGINATING WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. IT DOES NOT COVER ALL FOREIGN ENTITIES, JUST FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. MR. COHEN, WHAT I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO DO IS REVIEW THIS ISSUE OVER LUNCH WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS, AND IF YOU NEED TO AMEND YOUR FORM, WE ASK THAT YOU DO THAT BEFORE THE CONCLUSION OF TODAY’S HEARING. ALSO, I REPRESENT A PURPLE DISTRICT. I DID NOT COME HERE FOR PARTISAN BICKERING. IN FACT, I ACTIVELY WANTED TO AVOID IT. WHEN I ASK THESE QUESTIONS TODAY, IT IS NOT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A VENDETTA AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. IT’S AS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM GENERATIONS OF SERVICE MEMBERS WHO SWORE AN OATH TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WHO, ALONG WITH MYSELF AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON UP HERE, SWORE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. MY FOREFATHERS SERVED THEIR COUNTRY. THEY SERVED THEIR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, AND THEY SERVED THE IDEA THAT AMERICA IS FREE AND JUST AND THAT THE LAW OF THE LAND RULES US ALL, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. SO I ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OUR VERY OWN PRESIDENT COMMITTED FELONY CRIMES WHILE SERVING IN THE OVAL OFFICE, INCLUDING EFFORTS TO CONCEAL PAYMENTS THAT WERE INTENDED TO MISLEAD THE PUBLIC AND INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION. I HOPE TO GOD THAT IS NOT THE CASE. MR. COHEN, ON JANUARY 22, 2018, JUST DAYS AFTER THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” BROKE THE STORY THAT MR. COHEN PAID $130,000 TO STEPHANIE CLIFFORD TO SILENCE HER DURING THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, A NONPROFIT WATCH DOG CALLED COMMON CAUSE FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ALLEGING THE PAYMENT MAY HAVE REPRESENTED AN ILLEGAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. I ASK THAT THEIR COMPLAINT BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. ON FEBRUARY 28, 2018, YOU 1SAID QUOTE, I USED MY OWN FUNDS TO FACILITATE A PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD AND NEITHER THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN OR MR. TRUMP WERE INVOLVED IN THE PAYMENT. WAS THE STATEMENT FALSE?>>THE STATEMENT WAS NOT FALSE. I PURPOSELY LEFT OUT MR. TRUMP INDIVIDUALLY FROM THAT STATEMENT.>>OKAY. WHY DID YOU SAY IT THAT WAY?>>BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TO DO BETWEEN MYSELF, MR. TRUMP AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG.>>SO IT WAS CAREFULLY WORDED?>>YES, MA’AM.>>MR. COHEN, A REPORTER FOR THE MAGAZINE “VANITY FAIR” REPORTED THAT SHE INTERVIEWED YOU THE NEXT DAY ON FEBRUARY 24, 2018 ABOUT THE PAYMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT AND WROTE, QUOTE, LAST FEBRUARY I INTERVIEWED COHEN IN HIS OFFICE ABOUT THE STATEMENT HE GAVE IN WHICH HE SAID TRUMP DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THE STORMY DANIELS PAYMENT OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR IT. DO YOU RECALL THIS MEETING WITH THE REPORTER?>>I DO. >>THE REPORTER ALSO WROTE, TRUMP CALLED WHILE I WAS THERE. I COULDN’T HEAR MUCH BUT HE WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGING WOULD BE. IS THAT ACCURATE?>>IT IS. >>DID THE PRESIDENT CALL YOU WHILE YOU WERE HAVING A MEETING WITH THE REPORTER?>>YES. >>DID THE PRESIDENT CALL YOU ABOUT PUBLIC MESSAGING ABOUT THE PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD AROUND FEBRUARY 2018?>>YES. >>WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT ASK OR SUGGEST THAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE PAYMENT?>>HE WAS NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE REIMBURSEMENTS AND HE WASN’T KNOWLEDGEABLE OF MY ACTIONS. >>HE ASKED YOU TO SAY THAT?>>YES, MA’AM.>>GREAT. GLAD TO THE PERSONAL CHECK FOR $35,000, IS THERE ADDITIONAL CORROBORATING EVIDENCE THAT MR. TRUMP, WHILE A SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DIRECTLY REIMBURSED YOU HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGNS FINANCE LAWS?>>THERE WERE 11 CHECKS THAT I RECEIVED THROUGH THE YEAR. THE REASON WHY 11, AS I STATED BEFORE, I HAVE TWO CHECKS — >>AND YOU HAVE COPIES OF ALL OF THOSE?>>I CAN GET COPIES. I HAVE TO GO TO THE BANK. >>WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET ALL 11 CHECKS THAT MR. TRUMP PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THIS CRIMINAL SCHEME?>>IT’S EITHER FROM HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AS WHAT WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE EXHIBIT OR IT WOULD COME FROM THE DONALD J. TRUMP ACCOUNT, THE TRUST ACCOUNT.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I YIELD BACK THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME.>>I’M SITTING HERE, I’M NEW TO THE COMMITTEE. I’M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I’M LOOKING THROUGH THIS, YOU COME IN HERE AND YOU RAIL ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, WHILE HE’S OVER ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL TO MAKE THIS WORLD SAFER AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST HAVING THIS COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME WHEN THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY I THINK IS A NEW PRECEDENT. BUT YOU CALL HIM A RACIST, A CHEAT, AND ATTACK HIS CHARACTER. I’VE BEEN WITH THE PRESIDENT A LITTLE BIT. I DIDN’T SEE THAT IN THE PRESIDENT. I SEE A PRESIDENT WHO’S VERY SINCERE, IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY BETTER FOR EVERY AMERICAN. FOR YOU TO COME IN HERE AND DO THAT IS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE. REPENT ANS WOULD BE TO SERVE YOUR TIME AND DON’T COME BACK HERE AND MAKE ALLEGATIONS TOWARDS A MAN THAT YOU CAN’T SUBSTANTIATE. I’M LOOKING AT THE REMARKS FROM THE PROSECUTOR OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. FALSE STATEMENTS WHICH COHEN PLEADED GUILTY WAS AN ISOLATED EVENT, ONE OF THE LONGEST SELF-SERVING LIES COHEN TOLD TO NUMEROUS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. EARLIER IN YOUR TESTIMONY I HEARD YOU SAY IT WAS A HOME EQUITY LOAN BUT APPARENTLY PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK THINK THERE’S OTHER FINANCIAL THINGS THAT YOU DID. THEY ALSO SAID YOU MANAGED TO COMMIT A SERIES OF CRIMES ALL WHILE HOLDING HIMSELF AS A LICENSED ATTORNEY AND UPSTANDING MEMBER OF THE BAR. ALSO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT PROSECUTOR SAID THAT — WROTE THAT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS OF WRONGDOING IS FLEETING, THAT YOUR REMORSE IS MINIMAL, AND THAT YOUR INSTINCTS TO BLAME OTHERS IS STRONG. I’M KIND OF LEFT HERE, WHY — YOU WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT FOR TEN YEARS BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF INTEGRITY THAT YOU’RE TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOU HAVE NOW, IF IT WAS THAT BAD, WHY DIDN’T YOU LEAVE? YOU WEREN’T STRUCK THERE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS. YOU HAD WAYS TO LEAVE. YOU’RE AN ATTORNEY. SO THAT’S JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT’S WORKING TIRELESSLY AND YOU COME IN AND MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS AND YOU COULD HAVE LEFT ANY TIME YOU WANT. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU’RE TRYING TO SAVE FACE. THE OTHER QUESTIONS WAS, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY LUCRATIVE DEAL AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU DON’T LOOK LIKE YOU’RE CLOSE TO RETIREMENT. YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF LUCRATIVE DEAL. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, AND IT’S COME UP A LITTLE BIT, TALKS WITH YOU AND YOUR ATTORNEY AND TALKS TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND STAFF AND YOU SAID THERE WERE 1SOME DISCUSSIONS. WERE ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU AND YOUR ATTORNEYS HAD WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OR STAFF OR PROSECUTORS CONSIDERATIONS TO FAVOR OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN THE FUTURE?>>NO. THE CONVERSATIONS WERE ABOUT THE TOPICS AND — BECAUSE THERE WERE THINGS THAT ORIGINALLY WE COULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT AT THE REQUEST OF WHETHER IT WAS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE OR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR ANY OF THE OTHER AGENCIES INCLUDING THE HOUSE SELECT INTEL OR THE SENATE SELECT INTEL. SIR, JUST FOR YOUR PERSONAL EDIFICATION HERE, I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE. YOUR CHAIRMAN SENT A LETTER TO MR. DAVIS, AND I ACCEPTED. SO I’M HERE VOLUNTARILY. >>I UNDERSTAND THAT. >>AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT — >>I UNDERSTAND. I THINK THIS IS POLITICAL THEATRE. >>SIR, IT’S NOT POLITICAL THEATRE FOR ME. I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT MR. TRUMP. YOU’VE MET HIM FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I’VE BEEN WITH HIM FOR OVER A DECADE. I’VE TRAVELED WITH HIM INTERNATIONALLY, I’VE SPENT DINNERS WITH HIM. IT DOESN’T MAKE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON HERE, AND AS FAR AS SAVING FACE, I’M NOT SURE HOW BEING IN FRONT OF THE WORLD BEING CALLED A CHEAT — >>WITH THESE LUCRATIVE BOOK DEALS AND MOVIES THAT COME ABOUT, I THINK YOU’LL BE PRETTY GOOD IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER. >>I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. EARLIER YOU SAID YOU STARTED THE CAMPAIGN?>>THAT’S CORRECT, IN 2011. >>YOU STARTED THE CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>I CERTAINLY DID, SIR.>>NOW THAT’S NEWS. >>SHOULDTRUMPRUN.COM. >>WOW. >>2011. IT WAS MY IDEA. I SAW A DOCUMENT IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT SAID WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR IN 2012? 6% OF THE PEOPLE SAID — >>MICHAEL COHEN. >>6% OF THE PEOPLE TURNED AROUND AND SAID THEY WOULD VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP. >>THE REASON DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT — >>I WENT INTO HIS OFFICE AND I SAID TO HIM, MR. TRUMP, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT. WITH THAT IS WHERE IT ALL STARTED. >>YEAH, OKAY. I’M SURE HE HAD NEVER THOUGHT OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNTIL YOU CAME IN. I GOT 8 SECONDS. WHAT DID YOU TALK TO MR. SCHIFF ABOUT?>>I SPOKE TO MR. SCHIFF ABOUT TOPICS THAT WERE GOING TO BE RAISED AT THE UPCOMING HEARING. >>WHOA, NOT JUST WHAT TIME TO SHOW UP, ACTUALLY WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT?>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME EXPIRED.>>WOW.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I KNOW THE OTHER SIDE IS SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARE AN INCORRIGIBLE LIAR AND THAT YOU’RE LYING HERE TODAY. I CAN’T THINK OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO GAIN AT THIS POINT FROM LYING. THEY TALK ABOUT BOOK DEALS AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO BUT I SEE A LOT MORE THAT YOU COULD LOSE WITH BY TELLING THE TRUTH TODAY GIVEN THE THREATS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. SO THAT’S HOW I’M INTERPRETING IT. OF COURSE, YOU BROUGHT DOCUMENTS WITH YOU AS WELL TO BOLSTER THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR TESTIMONY. I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO AN EARLIER LINE OF QUESTIONING REGARDING THE PREPARATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE YOU CAME BEFORE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. YOU TALKED ABOUT A MEETING AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHERE THE TESTIMONY WAS BEING REVIEWED AND I THINK YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY, JAY SEKULOW, WHO WAS THERE AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE WERE SOME OWEEDITS THAT W MADE TO YOUR TESTIMONY. SO ON THAT TOPIC, WHO AT THE WHITE HOUSE REVIEWED YOUR TESTIMONY?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THE DOCUMENT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED BY MYSELF ALONG WITH MY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME FOR McDERMOTT, WILL AND EMORY. IT WAS A JOINT DEFENSE AGREEMENT SO THE DOCUMENT CIRCULATED AROUND. I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY ABBY LOWELL WHO REPRESENTS IVANKA AND JARED KUSHNER.>>WHY DID YOU PROVIDE THE TESTIMONY TO THE WHITE HOUSE?>>IT WAS PURSUANT TO THE JOINT DEFENSE AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE ALL OPERATING UNDER. >>WHAT WERE THE EDITS THAT CAME BACK OBVIOUS STAN TIFLY?>>I DON’T KNOW, SIR. I’D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT.>>DID YOU HAVE A REACTION TO WHY THERE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN IN A SENSE A PROTEST OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE FALSE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GOING TO BE PROVIDE SND. >>NO, SIR, BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS TO STAY ON MESSAGE, WHICH IS LIMIT THE RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER WITH RUSSIA, NO RUSSIAN CONTACTS, NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION, NO RUSSIAN DEALS. THAT’S THE MESSAGE. THAT’S THE SAME MESSAGE THAT EXISTED WELL BEFORE MY NEED TO COME AND TESTIFY. >>SO IT’S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS IDEA, THIS MENTALITY OF YOU TOW THE LINE, WHATEVER THE STORY LINE OR THE NARRATIVE OF THE DAY OR THE MONTH OR THE YEAR IS GOING TO BE, YOU TOW THAT LINE WHETHER IT RESULTS IN FALSE TESTIMONY OR NOT?>>I TOWED THE PARTY LINE AND I’M NOW SUFFERING AND I’M GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUFFER FOR A WHILE, ALONG WITH MY FAMILY, AS A RESULT OF IT. SO, YES.>>LET ME SWITCH GEARS QUICKLY BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES. YOU MAY NOT HAVE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS BUT YOU’RE OFFERING US SOME VERY HELPFUL PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THE TRUMP WORLD OPERATES. FRANKLY, ANOTHER REASON I FIND YOUR TESTIMONY FAIRLY COMPELLING AND CREDIBLE IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU’RE DESCRIBING, A LOT OF THE BEHAVIOR YOU’RE DESCRIBING IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ALL SEE EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO IT’S NOT A LEAP FOR US TO ARRIVE IN THE SAME PLACE AND PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU PRESENTED. I’M INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES AROUND THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THE INAUGURATION OF THE PRESIDENT. THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN “PRO PUB LICK KA” A WATCH DOG GROUP, ABOUT NEGOTIATION ON PRICING AT THE TRUMP HOTEL WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THE RENTAL THAT WAS BEING QUOTED WAS SUBSTANTIAL, EVEN DOUBLE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO PAY, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE MARKET SHOULD BEAR. IN A SENSE, THE TRUMP HOTEL WAS UPCHARGING TO THE INAUGURAL. >>EVEN I COULDN’T AFFORD TO STAY THERE. >>YEAH. AND SO I’M JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER THAT KIND OF A PRACTICE IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THAT KIND OF UPCHARGING COULD BE DONE INSIDE A TRUMP OPERATION?>>IT DID HAPPEN.>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME IS EXPIRED. >>ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU IS I WASN’T PART OF THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. I RAISED A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE INAUGURATION BUT I WAS NOT PART OF IT AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS — THAT ISSUE IS SOMETHING THAT’S ALSO — OBVIOUSLY WE READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER, BEING INVESTIGATED AT THE CURRENT MOMENT. >>THANK YOU. >>MR. HIGGINS. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, IN MY HEART TO TELL YOU, SIR, THAT I’M SORRY FOR WHAT YOUR FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH. I FEEL FOR YOUR FAMILY. >>THANK YOU. >>THE WORD TELLS US CLEARLY THAT A MAN’S MOUTH IS HIS DESTRUCTION AND HIS LIPS ARE THE SNARE OF HIS SOUL. I SEE YOU, A MAN TRAPPED IN THAT. HOWEVER, I MUST TELL YOU THAT I’VE ARRESTED SEVERAL THOUSAND MEN AND YOU REMIND ME OF MANY OF THEM, THE ONES THAT IMMEDIATELY BECOME HUMBLE AND REMORSEFUL AT THE TIME THEY’RE ACTUALLY BOOKED, AND WHILE THEY’RE INCARCERATED, THEY’RE QUITE PENT TENT AND THEN RETURN TO THEIR FORMER SELVES WHEN THEY’RE BACK ON THE STREET. RESPECTFUL TO YOUR FAMILY AND WHAT THEY’RE GOING THROUGH. I OWE IT YOUR HONESTY TO TELL YOU THAT THAT’S MY SENSE OF YOU, GOOD SIR. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND WHAT YOU BRUSHED OFF EARLIER REGARDING YOUR OWN STATEMENT DURING THIS TESTIMONY FROM C-SPAN NOTATION AT 2:50 IN YOU STATED, REGARDING YOUR CREDIBILITY THAT YOU’RE BEING ACCUSED OF HAVING NO CREDIBILITY, THAT IT IS EXACTLY FOR THAT REASON I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BOXES TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. NOW, THE DOCUMENTS YOU’RE REFERRING TO, MR. COHEN, ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SUBMITTED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO BE WORTHY OF EVIDENCE FOR THIS OVERSIGHT HEARING TODAY?>>I LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO DECIDE. >>I’LL ASK YOU AGAIN, SIR, AND PLEASE DON’T BE INCREDULOUS. THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION. WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES THAT CONTAIN DOCUMENTS WORTHY OF EVIDENCE TO BE PRESENTED TO CONGRESS, AND WHY HAVE THEY NOT BEEN TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATING AUTHORITIES LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE MANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES THAT YOU’RE ALLEGEDLY COOPERATING IN? WHERE ARE THESE BOXES? WHERE IS THIS TREASURE OF EVIDENCE?>>THE BOX TES THAT I’M REFERRI TO WERE BOXES THAT WERE IN MY LAW OFFICE WHEN THE FBI ENTERED AND SEIZED DUOCUMENTS. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANTS THE INVESTIGATING AUTHORITIES TO NOTE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN STATED AND THAT ACTIONS BE TAKEN FOR THOSE BOXES TO BE SEIZED AND REVIEWED BASED UPON A PROPER WARRANT SIGNED BY A SITTING JUDGE. YOU NOTED EARLIER TODAY, MR. COHEN, WHEN ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED YOU REGARDING A TELEVISION DEAL, YOU EXPRESSED WONDERMENT THAT YOUR PREDICAMENT COULD POSSIBLY GET YOU ON TELEVISION. IT CERTAINLY GOT YOU ON TELEVISION TODAY, HAS IT NOT, SIR?>>SIR, I WAS ON TELEVISION REPRESENTING MR. TRUMP GOING BACK INTO 2011. >>I DIDN’T KNOW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL TODAY REALLY, UNTIL THE FBI RAIDED YOUR HOME. MOST OF AMERICA DIDN’T KNOW WHO YOU WERE. HOW MANY ATTORNEYS DO YOU THINK MR. TRUMP HAS HAD THROUGH THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER? QUITE A FEW, I WOULD IMAGINE. YOU’RE JUST ONE THAT’S IN A TRAP RIGHT NOW. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU’RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT. YOU’RE IN A BIND. BUT I ASK YOU, GOOD SIR, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED FILM AND BOOK DEALS WITH YOUR STATED CURRENT ATTORNEY, MR. DAVIS, LANNY DAVIS?>>WITH MR. DAVIS, NO. BUT I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO DO BOOK DEALS, MOVIE DEALS AND SO ON.>>IT LEADS ME BACK TO MY INSTINCT THAT COMPARES YOU TO MANY OF THE MEN THAT I’VE ARRESTED DURING THE COURSE OF MY CAREER. MR. CHAIRMAN — >>WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR — >>OUR PRIMARY HEARING TO INTRODUCE THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, THE 116th CONGRESS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HAS MANIFESTED IN THE WAY THAT IT OBVIOUSLY HAS. THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INJURE OUR PRESIDENT AND LAY SOME SORT OF SOFT CORNERSTONE FOR FUTURE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. THIS IS THE FULL INTENT OF THE MAJORITY. I YIELD MY REMAINING 30 SECONDS TO THE RANKING MEMBER.>>MR. COHEN, EARLIER YOU SAID THE UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS NOT ACCURATE IN THAT STATEMENT.>>I’M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. >>EARLIER YOU SAID THAT THE UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEY’S OFFICE, THAT STATEMENT IS NOT ACCURATE. YOU SAID IT’S NOT A LIE BUT IT’S NOT ACCURATE. DO YOU STAND BY THAT?>>YES, I DID NOT WANT A ROLE IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION. >>THE COURT’S WRONG — >>CAN I FINISH, PLEASE?>>SURE. >>I GOT EXACTLY THE ROLE THAT I WANTED. THERE IS NO SHAME IN BEING PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. I ASKED MR. TRUMP FOR THAT JOB, AND HE GAVE IT TO ME. >>ALL I’M ASKING — AND I APPRECIATE, MR. CHAIRMAN — YOU’RE SAYING THAT STATEMENT FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEYS IS WRONG?>>I’M SAYING I DIDN’T WRITE IT HAD AND IT’S NOT ACCURATE. >>THANK YOU.>>MR. WELSH. >>THANK YOU. ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OF COURSE WAS THE DUMP OF E-MAILS STOLEN FROM THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE, DUMPED BY WIKILEAKS. MR. COHEN, DURING YOUR OPENING STATEMENT WHICH WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF THE ELECTION YOU TESTIFIED YOU WERE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH DONALD TRUMP IN JULY 2016 WHEN ROGER STONE HAPPENED TO CALL AND TELL MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST SPOKEN TO JULIAN ASSANGE, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU SAID THAT MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. TRUMP ABOUT AN UP UPCOMING, QUOTE, MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ROGER STONE’S PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT. FIRST OF ALL, WAS THAT ON SPEAKER PHONE? IS THAT WHAT YOU INDICATED?>>YES. MR. TRUMP HAS A BLACK SPEAKER PHONE THAT SITS ON HIS DESK. HE USES IT QUITE OFTEN BECAUSE WITH ALL THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS HE GETS — >>JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, 2019, “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ASKED PRESIDENT TRUMP IF HE EVER SPOKE TO ROGER STONE ABOUT THESE STOLEN E-MAILS, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ANSWERED, AND I QUOTE, NO, I DIDN’T. I NEVER DID. WAS THAT STATEMENT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TRUE?>>NO, IT’S NOT ACCURATE.>>CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE FOR US TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION — YOU WERE PRESENT — EXACTLY WHAT MR. STONE SAID TO MR. TRUMP. >>IT WAS A SHORT CONVERSATION AND HE SAID, MR. TRUMP, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND IN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE’S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT’S GOING TO SEVERELY HURT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN.>>AND WAS MR. TRUMP AND MR. STONE AWARE OF WHERE THOSE E-MAILS CAME FROM?>>THAT I’M NOT AWARE OF.>>DID MR. TRUMP EVER SUGGEST THEN OR LATER TO CALL THE FBI TO REPORT THIS BREACH?>>HE NEVER EXPRESSED THAT TO ME.>>DID THE PRESIDENT AT THAT TIME OR EVER SINCE IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE INDICATE AN AWARENESS THAT THIS CONDUCT WAS WRONG?>>NO.>>THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE ON JULY 22nd, ON THE EVE OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, WIKILEAKS PUBLISHED, AS YOU KNOW, THE 20,000 LEAKED INTERNAL DNC E-MAILS. COULD YOUR MEETING WITH MR. TRUMP HAVE BEEN BEFORE THAT DATE?>>YES.>>SO MR. TRUMP WAS AWARE OF THE UPCOMING DUMP BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?>>YES.>>IS THERE ANY — >>THOUGH, SIR, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER HE KNEW OR NOT AND I DON’T BELIEVE HE DID WHAT THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF THE DUMP WAS GOING TO BE, ONLY THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS. >>HE WAS AWARE OF THAT BEFORE THE DUMP OCCURRED, CORRECT?>>YES, SIR. >>ARE THERE ANY RECORDS THAT WOULD CORROBORATE THE DAY OF THIS MEETING? CALENDARS PERHAPS?>>I’M NOT IN POSSESSION BUT I BELIEVE, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AND THEY PROBABLY BEST SUITED TO CORROBORATE THAT INFORMATION. >>WAS ANYONE ELSE PRESENT IN THE ROOM DURING THE CALL?>>I DON’T RECALL FOR THIS ONE, NO, SIR. >>IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THE COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK TO ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OF THE WIKILEAKS E-MAIL DUMP?>>AGAIN, WHEN HE CALLED RHONA GRAF YELLED OUT TO MR. TRUMP, ROGER IS ON LINE ONE, WHICH WAS REGULAR PRACTICE. >>THAT’S HIS ASSISTANT?>>YES. >>ON JULY 27, 2016 THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP PUBLICLY APPEALED TO RUSSIA TO HACK HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAILS AND MAKE THEM PUBLIC. YOU STATED, AND I QUOTE, RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING, I HOPE YOU’RE ABLE TO FIND THE 30,000 E-MAILS THAT ARE MISSING. GOING BACK TO MR. STONE’S PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT, DO YOU RECALL IF MR. TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE WIKILEAKS DUMP AT THE TIME OF HIS DIRECT APPEAL TO RUSSIA?>>I AM NOT. >>BUT THE CALL WITH MR. STONE, YOU BELIEVE, WAS BEFORE — >>YES. >>THIS — >>I’M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT SET OF DOCUMENTS THAT GOT DUMPED. I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE EITHER JULY 18th OR 19th AND, YES, HE WENT AHEAD. I DON’T KNOW IF THE 35,000 OR 30,000 E-MAILS IS WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO, BUT HE CERTAINLY HAD KNOWLEDGE. >>THANK YOU. JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. MR. HARASKIN HAS BEEN ASKING YO QUESTIONS AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THAT MR. PECKER EXPENDED OTHER MONEYS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES WERE?>>SURE. THERE WAS THE STORY ABOUT MR. TRUMP HAVING A LOVE CHILD WITH AN EMPLOYEE AND ACTUALLY THE HUSBAND OF THAT EMPLOYEE WORKS FOR THE COMPANY AS WELL. THERE WAS AN ELEVATOR OPERATOR WHO CLAIMS THAT HE OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION TAKING PLACE BETWEEN ONE OF MR. TRUMP’S OTHER EXECUTIVES AND SOMEBODY, AND HE ENDED UP PAYING LIKE $15,000 IN ORDER TO BUY THAT STORY TO FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS TRUE OR NOT. THAT’S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT DAVID HAD DONE OVER THE YEARS. THE REASON WHY, IN THE RECORDING WHEN DAVID WAS LOOKING TO BECOME THE CEO OF “TIME” MAGAZINE, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WE’LL CALL IT THE TREASURE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS THAT HAD BEEN CREATED OVER THE YEARS, THAT IF HE LEFT SOMEBODY COULD OPEN UP THE KEY TO A DRAWER AND FIND ALL THIS INFORMATION. SO WE WERE GOING TO LOOK TO BUY ALL OF THOSE LIFE RIGHTS AND SO ON. >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR TESTIFYING. I JOIN CONGRESSMAN HIGGINS IN FEELING FOR YOUR FAMILY. THEY HAVE NO PART IN THIS. I’VE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY AND I’M TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT CLAY IS TRYING TO DECIDE. ARE YOU REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT YOU DID OR YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT. THE THING THAT AMAZED ME IS THAT IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT WHICH, LET ME QUOTE, LAST FALL I PLED GUILTY IN FEDERAL COURT TO FELONIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF, AT THE DIRECTION OF AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE. IS THAT THE PRESIDENT?>>YES, SIR. >>OKAY. YOUR CRIMES WERE OF YOUR OWN TO BENEFIT YOURSELF. >>SOME OF THEM, YES. >>NO, GO THROUGH ALL THE ONES WITH THE REAL ESTATE, WITH THE BANKS. ON YOUR LOAN, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN DEBT. YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE $70,000 IN MONTHLY PAYMENTS. ON YOUR $14 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE THAT YOU HAD DRAWN ON THAT. SO THIS WAS ALL FOR YOURSELF. THIS WASN’T FOR THE BENEFIT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. THIS WAS TO BENEFIT MICHAEL COHEN. THAT’S MY QUESTION, DID YOU JUST GET CAUGHT? YOU WORKED FOR THIS MAN FOR TEN YEARS, MR. COHEN. YOU CAME THE IN HERE WITH THIS, HE’S A CON MAN, THIS IS A CHEAT. THIS IS THE VERY MAN THAT DIDN’T YOU WIRETAP HIM ILLEGALLY? DID YOU NOT WIRETAP PRESIDENT TRUMP WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE?>>I DID RECORD MR. TRUMP IN A CONVERSATION, YES. >>IS THAT YOUR LAWYER PRIVILEGE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AN HONEST GUY WOULD DO, AN HONEST LAWYER?>>I ACTUALLY NEVER THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND THAT RECORDING EVEN EXISTED. I HAD FORGOTTEN. >>BUT YOU DID IT?>>YES, I DID.>>HAVE YOU EVER — >>I HAD A REASON FOR DOING IT. >>WHAT WAS YOUR REASON?>>BECAUSE I KNEW HE WASN’T GOING TO PAY THAT MONEY AND DAVID PECKER HAD ALREADY CHEWED ME OUT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS REGARDING OTHER MONEYS THAT HE EXPENDED. >>BUT THIS IS A MAN THAT YOU TRUSTED, YOU’D TAKE A BULLET FOR, THAT YOU SECRETLY ROARED. HAVE YOU LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY RECORDED OTHER CLIENTS?>>I HAVE RECORDINGS OF PEOPLE, YES. >>LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY?>>I BELIEVE THAT THEY’RE LEGAL.>>DID YOU TELL THEM?>>IN NEW YORK STATE YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO THAT. >>SO YOU DIDN’T TELL THEM? . N . >>NO, I DO NOT. SOMETIMES I USE THEM FOR CONTEMPORANEOUS RECORDINGS LATER ON.>>IF THE SHOE WERE REVERSED, YOU’RE A TRUSTING LAWYER RECORDING YOU?>>I PROBABLY WOULD INTO THE. >>NOW, YOUR BANK LOANS THAT I JUST RAN DOWN, DID YOU EVER DEFAULT ON ANY OF THESE LOANS?>>NO, SIR. >>SO THE BANK DIDN’T TAKE ANY LOSS?>>I AM NOT IN DEFAULT. I HAVE NEVER FILED BANKRUPTCY. THE HELOCK YOU’RE REFERRING TO, I REPLACED THAT FROM A DIFFERENT HELOCK. PAID IT OFF. I OWE NO BANKS ANY MONEY. >>HOW ABOUT YOUR TAXI CAB TODAY, DID YOU HAVE TO SELL THAT?>>THE ONES IN CHICAGO, YES, I DO HAVE TO SELL. HOW HOWEVER, NEW YORK — THE ANSWER IS NO, I DON’T. THE INDUSTRY IS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR, MAJOR CORRECTION BECAUSE OF RIDE SHARING. IT’S CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS. >>THE VALUE OF IT HAS?>>YES, SIR. >>NO BANK — WOULD THE BANKS MAKE YOU A LOAN AGAIN BASED ON YOUR RECORD?>>ACTUALLY, THEY DID. YES. THE BANK ACTUALLY REDID AND THEY REFINANCED THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. >>CURRENTLY?>>YES.>>HAVE THEY EVER HAD TO DO A LOAN LOSS RESERVE FOR THE PROJECTED LOSSES?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY DID BUT I DIDN’T GET THE BENEFIT OF IT, NO, SIR. >>MOST LIKELY THEY DID. I WAS ON AN AUDIT COMMITTEE. >>THEY MAY HAVE DONE THAT, SIR, BUT THAT’S FOR THEIR OWN BANKING, NOT FOR ME. >>IT’S BY LAW. IF THEY SUSPECT YOU OF LYING WHICH YOU ADMITTED TO, IF THEY SUSPECT YOU OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE YOUR LOAN PAYMENT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOAN LOSS RESERVE THAT’S 125% OF WHAT YOU — $20 MILLION THEY HAVE TO POST IN THEIR ACCOUNT, $20 MILLION PLUS. THEY GET NO INTEREST ON IT AND YOU KNOW WHO PAYS FOR THAT? THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHO DEALS WITH THAT BANK.>>SIR, I’M NOT IN DEFAULT AND I’M CURRENT ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEDALLION LOANS AND I’VE NEVER OWED ANY MONEY TO FIRST REPUBLIC BANK. AT THE TIME THAT I HAD THE HELOCK I HAD MORE CASH SITTING IN THAT SAME BANK THAN — >>LAST QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO PRAGUE?>>NEVER. >>NEVER HAVE?>>I’VE NEVER BEEN TO THE CHUCK — CHECK REPUBLIC. >>I YIELD BACK MY TIME. >>ON PAGE FIVE OF YOUR STATEMENT YOU SAY AND I QUOTE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS. WHO WERE THOSE ATTORNEYS?>>FROM THE WHITE HOUSE?>>YES. >>JAY SEKULOW. I BELIEVE ABBY LOWELL AS WELL. >>YOU HAVE A COPY OF YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO THE COMMITTEE?>>I CAN TRY TO GET THAT FOR YOU. >>ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD DO THAT. THE LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE MOSCOW TOWER WAS IN THE FALL OF 2015, CORRECT?>>CORRECT.>>WAS THERE AN EXPIRATION DATE?>>NO. >>IT COULD TECHNICALLY STILL BE IN EFFECT TODAY?>>NO. IT’S BEEN TERMINATED. >>DID MR. TRUMP TELL YOU TO OFFER VLADIMIR PUTIN A FREE PENTHOUSE?>>NO, MA’AM. THAT WAS FELIX SATER. IT WAS A MARKETING STUNT THAT HE SPOKE ABOUT. >>FELIX SATER HAD SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT MR. TRUMP OFFER A PENTHOUSE TO MR. PUTIN?>>YES, BECAUSE IT WOULD CERTAINLY DRIVE UP THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, NO DIFFERENT THAN IN ANY CONDO WHERE THEY START LISTING CELEBRITIES THAT LIVE IN THE PROPERTY. >>IN 2016 DID YOU TRAVEL TO EUROPE?>>YES. >>DID YOU MEET WITH PERSONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT?>>NO. >>IT WAS FOR PERSONAL — >>PERSONAL. MY DAUGHTER WAS STUDYING AT QUEEN MARY IN LONDON.>>SO YOU DID NOT MEET WITH ANY RUSSIANS?>>NO. >>THERE IS AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED AS A CATCH AND KILL PRODUCT. IT WAS EVIDENTLY OF MR. TRUMP AND A WOMAN, PRESUMABLY MRS. TRUMP, IS THAT CORRECT?>>ARE WE TALKING IN MOSCOW OR THE TRUMP TOWER ELEVATOR TAPE?>>THERE’S AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION IN 2016. >>YES, I’VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. >>WHO IS ON THAT TAPE?>>MR. TRUMP WITH MELANIA. >>AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT TAPE?>>THE STORY GOES THAT HE STRUCK MELANIA WHILE IN THAT ELEVATOR BECAUSE THERE’S A CAMERA INSIDE WHICH I’M NOT SO SURE — ACTUALLY, I’M CERTAIN IT’S NOT TRUE. I’VE HEARD ABOUT THAT TAPE FOR YEARS. I’VE KNOWN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE INCLUDING FOLKS FROM AMI WHO HAVE CLAIMED — >>THERE WAS SOME TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION, CORRECT?>>I DON’T BELIEVE THAT AUCTION WAS REAL AND I DON’T BELIEVE ANYBODY — I DON’T BELIEVE MR. TRUMP EVER STRUCK MRS. TRUMP EVER. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. >>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYONE PURCHASING THAT TAPE?>>I DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS EVER PURCHASED. >>YOU NEVER SAW THIS TAPE?>>NO, MA’AM, AND I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO PURCHASE IT FOR CATCH AND KILL PURPOSE. IT DOESN’T EXIST. MR. TRUMP WOULD NEVER, IN MY OPINION. THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT HE — >>GOOD TO KNOW. IS THERE A LOVE CHILD?>>THERE IS NOT, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. >>SO YOU WOULD PAY OFF SOMEONE TO NOT — >>IT WASN’T ME, MA’AM. IT WAS AMI, DAVID PECKER. >>SO HE PAID OFF SOMEONE ABOUT A LOVE CHILD THAT DOESN’T EXIST?>>CORRECT. IT WAS ABOUT $15,000.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID MR. TRUMP ASK YOU TO THREATEN AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY ON HIS BEHALF?>>QUITE A FEW TIMES.>>50 TIMES?>>MORE. >>100 TIMES?>>MORE. >>200 TIMES?>>MORE. >>500 TIMES?>>PROBABLY. OVER THE TEN YEARS. >>OVER THE TEN YEARS HE ASKED YOU — >>WHEN YOU SAY THREATEN I’M TALKING ABOUT WITH LITIGATION OR AN ARGUMENT WITH — >>INTIMIDATION. >>A NASTY REPORTER THAT IS WRITING AN ARTICLE.>>WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT OH LOCAT — LET’S GO TO THE TAPES. YOU SAID THERE’S PROBABLY 100?>>VOICE RECORDINGS. >>WILL YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE?>>IF YOU WOULD REALLY LIKE THEM.>>IF MR. TRUMP — >>DON’T YOU HAVE TO GAVEL, SIR?>>WE WOULD. >>SORRY.>>MR. TRUMP — DID MR. TRUMP TAPE ANY CONVERSATIONS?>>NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF, NO.>>WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE $25 MILLION SETTLEMENT TO TRUMP UNIVERSITY?>>I HAD A ROLE IN THAT, YES. >>WHO PAID THE SETTLEMENT?>>I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. TRUMP. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.>>YOU DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER BUT YOU WERE INVOLVED?>>YES, IN A DIFFERENT ASPECT. >>THERE’S REFERENCE TO A BUSINESSMAN IN KANSAS BEING INVOLVED WITH THAT. >>I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. >>IN MY 13 SECONDS LEFT, WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO KNOW?>>THAT I’M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING AND I’M SORRY FOR THE PAIN THAT I’VE CAUSED THEM AND, UM, I WISH I CAN GO BACK IN TIME.>>THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK. >>THE YOUNG LADY’S TIME EXPIRED. TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, BEFORE WE GO TO MS. MILLER, SO THAT YOU CAN PLAN, PROPERLY PLAN, THERE’S A VOTE APPARENTLY COMING UP IN ABOUT 10 TO 20 MINUTES, AND WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL RECESS AND WE WILL COME BACK — LISTEN UP. 30 MINUTES AFTER THE LAST VOTE BEGINS. GOT THAT? NOT ENDS. 30 MINUTES AFTER IT BEGINS. WE’LL DO THAT PROMPTLY. MS. MILLER.>>I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HAVE YOU IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE TODAY. QUITE FRANKLY, THIS ISN’T THE REASON THE PEOPLE OF WEST VIRGINIA SENT ME TO CONGRESS. I FIND THIS HEARING NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS IS ANOTHER POLITICAL GAME WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DISCREDITING THE PRESIDENT. IF IT WAS NOT ALREADY OBVIOUS, THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE WITH THE SINGULAR GOAL IN CONGRESS TO IMPEACH PRESIDENT TRUMP. TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL THEY WILL WASTE NOT ONLY PRECIOUS TAXPAYER DOLLARS BUT ALSO TIME IN THIS COMMITTEE AND CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. IN FACT, THEY WILL GO SO FAR AS TO BRING A CONVICTED FELON IN FRONT OF OUR COMMITTEE. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE WHAT YOU SAY, MR. COHEN, AT THIS TIME ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AS THE TRUTH, BUT YOU’RE ABOUT TO GO TO PRISON FOR LYING. HOW CAN WE BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY? THE ANSWER IS, WE CAN’T. THIS BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY ARE THOSE IN THE MAJORITY HOLDING THIS HEARING? I AM APPALLED. WE COULD BE FOCUSED ON ACTUAL ISSUES THAT ARE FACING AMERICA, LIKE BORDER SECURITY, NEO NATAL ABSTINENCE INDRSYNDROME OR IMPRG OUR NATION’S INFRASTRUCTURE. INSTEAD OF DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GRASP AT STRAWS. LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS WITNESS. FROM HIS SENTENCING HEARING IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, JUDGE PAULEY STATED, MR. COHEN PLED GUILTY TO A VERITABLE SMORG GAS BOARD OF BAD CONDUCT, MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO CONGRESS. EACH OF THE CRIMES INVOINVOLVED DECEMBER DECEPTION AND APPEARS TO BE MOTIVATED BY GREED. THIS IS WHO WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY, SOMEONE WHO IS ABOUT TO BE SENT TO PRISON FOR THREE YEARS FOR EVADING TAXES, DECEIVING A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, LYING TO CONGRESS, AMONG OTHER COUNTS. ONE OF THE MOST APPALLING FACTS ABOUT THIS HEARING IS THAT MR. COHEN HAS USED HIS EXPERIENCES WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER HE WAS ELECTED FOR HIS OWN GREED AND PROFIT. I’D LIKE SOME YES OR NO ANSWERS. ISN’T IT TRUE YOU TRIED TO SELL A BOOK ABOUT YOUR TIME WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ENTITLED “TRUMP REVOLUTION FROM THE TOWER TO THE WHITE HOUSE, UNDERSTANDING DONALD J. TRUMP”?>>YES. THAT HAPPENED EARLY ON WHEN I WAS STILL EVEN PART, I BELIEVE, OF THE RNC.>>AND THIS BOOK DEAL WHICH YOU HAD WITH HATCHET BOOKS WAS WORTH AROUND $500,000, IS THAT CORRECT?>>MORE, MA’AM. >>HOW MUCH MORE. >>I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 750. >>WOW. MR. COHEN — >>I DID TURN IT DOWN. >>GIVEN THAT YOU CONTINUE TO PROFIT FROM PUBLICLY DISCUSSING YOUR TIME WITH MR. TRUMP, I WORRY THAT THIS COMMITTEE HEARING THE MAJORITY HAS GIVEN YOU WILL ONLY SERVE AS A PLATFORM FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO LIE AND SENSATIONALIZE AND EXAGGERATE WHEREVER IT SUITS YOU. DO YOU PLAN TO PURSUE ANOTHER BOOK DEAL ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES?>>YES.>>I WOULD PRESUME THIS BOOK WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR LATEST PITCH, BUT YOUR NEW ANGLE MIGHT PLEASE SOME NEW FANS. ANYTHING TO SELL BOOKS. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE’VE CANCELLED HEARINGS ON CHILD SEPARATION AND ON OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE CLOSE TO MY HEART FOR THIS MEDIA CIRCUS. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY. FOR A MAN WHO HAS GLADLY EXPLOITED THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT TO PROMOTE HIS OWN NAME AND FILL HIS OWN POCKETS, IT PAINS ME THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE ADDING ANOTHER CHAPTER TO HIS BOOK. THANK YOU, AND I YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO MR. JORDAN. >>EARLIER, MR. COHEN, THE GENTLE LADY FROM CALIFORNIA TALKED ABOUT THIS TAPE — >>I’M SORRY, SIR, I CAN’T HEAR YOU. >>EARLIER THE GENTLE LADY FROM CALIFORNIA TALKED ABOUT ELEVATOR TAPE THAT YOU SAID DOES NOT EXIST. >>THAT’S CORRECT, I DON’T BELIEVE IT EXISTS. >>IT’S ALSO YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE TRUMP TEAM WAS WILLING TO PAY TO MAKE SURE A STORY ABOUT A NONEXISTENT TAPE NEVER BECAME PUBLIC?>>NO, SIR, THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID.>>THEY WERE WILLING TO STOP A FALSE TAPE?>>WE LOOKED — WE LEARNED THAT THIS TAPE WAS POTENTIALLY ON THE MARKET AND THAT IT EXISTED. SO WHAT WE DID IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH ALL THE OTHER CATCH AND KILL. WE LOOKED FOR IT. IF, IN FACT, THAT IT DID EXIST, WE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO STOP IT. THAT’S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE. >>A FALSE TAPE?>>I’VE NEVER HEARD IT AND I CAN ASSURE YOU ONE THING ABOUT MR. TRUMP, MANY THINGS, HE WOULD NEVER EVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I DON’T SEE IT.>>MR. COHEN, I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE $130,000 PAYMENT YOU MADE TO STEPHANIE CLIFFORD, THE ADULT FILM ACTRESS KNOWN AS STORMY DANIELS IN ORDER TO PURCHASE HER SILENCE SHORTLY BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION. FIRST, ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTS FILED BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK, YOU CREATED A SHELL COMPANY CALLED ESSENTIAL CONSULTANTS LLC, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU CREATED THIS COMPANY FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THE PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD, IS THAT CORRECT?>>AMONGST OTHER THINGS, YES. >>YOU THEN USED A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO FUND THE ACCOUNT IN THE NAME OF ESSENTIAL CONSULTANTS LLC, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU THEN WIRED $130,000 TO THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MS. CLIFFORD AT THAT TIME AND WROTE IN THE MEMO FIELD, QUOTE, RETAINER, IS THAT CORRECT?>>CORRECT.>>CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU DECIDED TO USE THIS COMPLICATED PROCESS TO MAKE THIS PAYMENT?>>STARTING AN LLC IS NOT A SOPHISTICATED — YOU CALL UP A COMPANY, YOU PAY FOR IT AND THEY OPEN IT FOR YOU. THE REASON THAT I USED THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT AS OPPOSED TO CASH THAT I HAD IN THE SAME EXACT BANK WAS I DIDN’T WANT MY WIFE TO KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE HANDLES ALL OF THE BANKING. I DIDN’T WANT HER COMING TO ME AND ASKING ME WHAT WAS THE $130,000 FOR. I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO THE OTHER AND TO PAY IT OFF BECAUSE I DIDN’T WANT TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO HER WHAT THAT PAYMENT WAS ABOUT. I SENT IT TO THE IOLA ACCOUNT TO MS. DANIELS’ ATTORNEY. HE WOULD HOLD IT IN ESCROW UNTIL SUCH TIME AS I RECEIVED THE EXECUTED NDA, NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. >>DID MR. TRUMP KNOW YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO HIDE THE PAYMENTS?>>YES. >>WHY NOT JUST USE MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL OR COMPANY BANK ACCOUNT TO MAKE THE PAYMENT? WHY WAS A DISTRACTION SO IMPORTANT BESIDES YOU NOT WANTING YOUR WIFE TO KNOW?>>HIS CONCERN WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A CHECK THAT HAS HIS VERY DISTINCT SIGNATURE ONTO IT AND EVEN AFTER SHE CASHED THE CHECK ALL YOU HAVE TO DOINGS MIS MAKE A PHOTOCOPY OF IT. THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP HIM AS FAR AWAY FROM IT AS POSSIBLE. >>CAN ANYONE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU HAVE SHARED WITH US?>>ABSOLUTELY.>>AND THAT IS?>>KEITH DAVIDSON, ALLEN WEISSELBERG, PRESIDENT TRUMP.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT. ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, AND I QUOTE, AFTER THE ELECTION COHEN SOUGHT REIMBURSEMENT FOR ELECTION-RELATED EXPENSES PROSECUTORS STATED THAT YOU, AND I QUOTE, PRESENTED AN EXECUTIVE OF THE COMPANY WITH A COPY OF THE BANK STATEMENT REFLECTING THE $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER. IS THAT ACCURATE?>>THAT IS ACCURATE.>>DO YOU STILL HAVE A COPY OF THAT BANK STATEMENT?>>YES, IT’S ACTUALLY MADE PART OF THE EXHIBIT.>>OKAY, SO YOU WILL PROVIDE IT TO THE COMMITTEE?>>YES, MA’AM.>>ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, EXECUTIVES AT THE COMPANY THEN, AND I QUOTE, AGREED TO REIMBURSE COHEN BY ADDING $130,000 AND $50,000, GROSSING UP THAT AMOUNT TO $360,000 FOR TAX PURPOSES AND ADDING A $60,000 BONUS, SUCH THAT COHEN WOULD BE PAID $420,000 IN TOTAL. EXECUTIVES OF THE COMPANY DECIDED TO PAY THE $420,000 IN MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS OF $35,000 OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. IS THAT ACCURATE?>>THAT IS ACCURATE.>>WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF GROSSING UP THE AMOUNTS, ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING WHAT YOU HAD PAID TO MISS CLIFFORDS AND OTHERS?>>BECAUSE IF YOU PAY $130,000 AND LIVE IN NEW YORK WHERE YOU HAVE A 50% TACK BX BRACKET, IN R TO GET YOUR $130 BACK, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE $260, BECAUSE IF HE GAVE ME BACK ONLY $130, I WOULD BE OUT $65,000.>>WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF SPREADING THE REIMBURSEMENTS TO YOU OVER THE 12 MONTHLY SBL INSTALLMENTS.>>THAT WAS TO HIDE WHAT THE PAYMENT WAS. I OBVIOUSLY WANTED THE MONEY IN ONE SHOT. I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED IT THAT WAY. BUT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT ON TO THE BOOKS, ALLEN WEISSELBERG MADE THE DECISION THAT IT SHOULD BE PAID OVER THE 12 MONTHS, SO THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A RETAINER.>>AND DID MR. TRUMP KNOW ABOUT THIS REIMBURSEMENT METHOD?>>OH, HE KNEW ABOUT EVERYTHING, YES.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. SO THE PRESIDENT NOT ONLY KNEW ABOUT THE PAYMENTS, HE KNEW AND HELPED TO HIDE THE PAYMENTS AND THE REIMBURSEMENTS TO YOU?>>WE DISCUSSED IT. EVERYTHING HAD TO GO THROUGH MR. TRUMP AND IT HAD TO BE APPROVED BY MR. TRUMP.>>AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON AND HE’S SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE.>>I’M GOING TO PRISON, YES, MA’AM.>>IF I — >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>YES, I YIELD MY TIME. OH — >>EARLIER, YOU SAID, I’M ASSUMING NEW YORK’S A ONE-PARTY CONSENT STATE, ONE PERSON CAN RECORD THE OTHER ONE WITHOUT IT BEING ILLEGAL.>>CORRECT.>>BUT YOU ALSO WERE A MEMBER OF THE NEW YORK BAR?>>I WAS, YES.>>HOW WOULD YOU RATE RECORDING CLIENTS IN THE ETHICAL REALM OF BEING A LAWYER.>>IT’S NOT ILLEGAL.>>I’M NOT ASKING IF IT’S ILLEGAL. I’METHICAL.>>I DON’T KNOW. I WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THAT TO THE JUDGMENT OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION.>>I THINK EVERY OTHER LAWYER IN HERE KNOWS WHERE IT IS ON THE ETHICAL STANDARD. WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD A HUNDRED TAPES, WERE ANY OF THOSE OTHER TAPES OF OTHER CLIENTCLIENTS?>>YES.>>I THINK THIS IS PRETTY AMAZING, I REALLY DO. DID ANY OF THEM WAIVE PRIVILEGE?>>NOPE.>>SO FIVE MINUTES AGO, YOU JUST IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED THAT YOU WOULD HAND OVER TAPES TO THIS COMMITTEE WITHOUT ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUS CLIENTS WAIVING PRIVILEGE?>>I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE IN POSSESSION OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE IN THE HANDS OF — >>WHOEVER ELSE IS IN CHARGE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS IS NOT MY CONCERN. I KNOW LAWYERS WHO WOULD GO TO JAIL BEFORE THEY WOULD VIOLATE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. AND IN THE MANNER OF A SECOND, YOU JUST SAID, ABSOLUTELY, I WILL TURN THOSE OVER.>>JUST RIGHT TO COOPERATE, SIR.>>AT THE EXPENSE OF CLIENTS WHO HAVE NEVER WAIVED PRIVILEGE.>>THEY’RE ALREADY IN THE HANDS, SIR, OF ALL OF THE AGENCIES. AS I DIDN’T ASK PEOPLE — >>WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DETERMINES TO DO IS SOMETHING AND WHAT YOU DETERMINE TO DO IS SOMETHING. ATTORNEY PRIVILEGE AND CLIENT TRUST ARE THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT THINGS YOU CAN EVER DO IN YOUR CAREER AS A LAWYER. AND IN THE MATTER OF A SECOND –>>AND TAPE THAT IS OUT THERE IS BECAUSE RUDY GIULIANI WAIVED THE PRIVILEGE.>>I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI, I’M TALKING ABOUT YOU. I DON’T KNOW WHO’S ON THOSE TAPES. ONLY YOU KNOW WHO IS ON THOSE TAPES. THERE ARE A HUNDRED OF THEM.>>THE OTHER IS ALSO SUBJECT TO AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION — >>MY POINT IS, WITHIN THE MATTER OF A SECOND, ONE SECOND, YOU TOOK ABSOLUTELY NO CALCULATION AS YOUR ROLE AS THOSE CLIENT’S COUNSELOR, THE ROLE THAT PLAYS IN PRIVACY AND THE ROLE THAT PLAYS IN A SOLEMN VOW YOU TOOK WHEN YOU PASSED THE BAR AND SIGNED ON TO THE BAR AND UNTIL RECENTLY WERE A MEMBER OF THE BAR. YOU IMMEDIATELY SAID, IF IT HELPS ME OUT TODAY IN FRONT OF TV, YES, ABSOLUTELY, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN HAVE THEM. AND I THINK — THAT JUST GOES INTO WHAT WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT, BRIEFLY. WE TALK ABOUT THESE TAX — THESE INDICTMENTS ON TAX FRAUD AND BANK FRAUD AS IF THEY ARE ISOLATED INCIDENTS. BUT THEY’RE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS OF BAD JUDGMENT. THESE WERE INTRICATE, ELABORATE LIES THAT CREATED NEAR — THAT NEEDED TO BE HELD WITH CONSTANT MIS — I MEAN, JUST CONSTANT DECEPTIONS OF BANKS, BUSINESSES, ASSOCIATES, ACCOUNTANTS, POTENTIALLY YOUR FAMILY. YOU RECEIVED OVER $2.4 MILLION IN PERSONAL LOANS FROM TAXI MEDALLION COMPANY ONE. AND THOSE WERE LOAN PAYMENTS FOR A BUSINESS LOAN, CORRECT?>>NO, SIR.>>YOU WEREN’T RECEIVING — >>THOSE — >>OKAY, GO AHEAD.>>THOSE WERE PAYMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WAS OPERATING THE MEDALLIONS.>>TO YOU.>>TO ME.>>SO THOSE WERE DEPOSITED INTO YOUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT OR IN SOME INSTANCES, YOUR WIFE’S ACCOUNT?>>IT WAS DEPOSITED INTO THE JOINT CHECKING ACCOUNT OF MY WIFE AND I, THAT’S LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE RESIDE IN.>>AND WERE THOSE DISCLOSED ON RESIDE IN. >>WERE THOSE DISCLOSED ON YOUR TAX RETURNS?>>THEY WERE NOT DISCLOSED ON MY TAX RETURNS. >>IN FACT, WHEN YOUR ACCOUNTANT TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THOSE DEPOSITS, YOU TOLD THEM YOU WOULDN’T PAY FOR A MEMO, THAT YOU DIDN’T ASK TO BE DONE?>>THAT’S INACCURATE.>>THE SENTENCING COURT IN NEW YORK HAS IT WRONG?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT MR. GETZEL WROTE MY ACCOUNTANT. THERE ARE A SERIES OF ISSUES REGARDING HIS MEMO INCLUDING THE FACT HE’S ALMOST DIRECTING ME IN AN EARLIER MEMO TO COMMIT FRAUD. PUTTING ALL OF THAT ASIDE WITH JEFF GETZEL, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS MY PLED GUILTY AND I MADE MY MISTAKE AND I’M GOING, AS I’VE SAID 100 TIMES NOW, I’M NOT SO SURE WHY THIS SINGULAR ATTACK ON MY TAXES. IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THEM I’M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW THEM TO YOU.>>I GOT PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT I’M G. I’M GOING TO RECLAIM MY TIME.>>THAT’S EXACTLY WHY WHEN IT COMES TO THE CREDIBILITY WHY I ASKED MR. DAVIS AND MR. MONACO, PLEASE, LET’S FIGURE OUT — >>THAT’S MY POINT WITH THE CREDIBILITY. THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS OF ATTACK. THESE WERE CONSTANT DECEPTIONS, WHETHER IT’S ROLLING OVER A $20 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT, YOU WENT TO GREAT LENGTH TOS TO CONCEAL THAT. THIS HAPPENED ON JANUARY 1 OF ’17, JANUARY 1 OF ’16, JANUARY 1 OF ’15. MY QUESTION IS WAS IT EXHAUSTING KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE LIES WERE TELLING ALL THESE>>I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIM.>>VERY WELL. THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING THE NARRATIVE.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR ROAD TO REDEMPTION.>>THANK YOU. IT’S GOING TO BE A LONG WAY.>>THE OPPOSITE OF THAT IS PERDITION, AS I REMEMBER. AND THAT’S PARTICULARLY HARD ON YOUR CHILDREN. SO I WISH YOU WELL AND I WISH YOUR FAMILY WELL. MR. COHEN, AS YOU SORT OF DESCRIBED YOUR ROAD TO HERE, MR. COOPER ASKED YOU WHEN THE MOMENT WAS OR MOMENTS WHEN YOU DECIDED YOU NEEDED TO CHANGE. IT STRIKES ME THERE IS A TRANSITION THAT YOU HAVE ILLUMINATED HERE. YOUR PERIOD OF TIME, THE TEN YEARS WORKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO YOU ADMIRED AS A DEVELOPER AND THEN WHEN CHARLOTTESVILLE HAPPENED AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL CALLED YOU IN, OBVIOUSLY, WAS A KEY PART OF IT OR YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE, BUT THE IN-BETWEEN PART I FIND REALLY TROUBLING, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF APPEARANCES AND CONFIDENCE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD HAVE IN THIS CONSTITUTION AND DEMOCRACY, QUITE FRANKLY. SO DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT TWO SPECIFICATION, IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME. FIRST, THE TRUMP TOWER. SO YOU WERE NEGOTIATING FOR THIS, AS YOU SAID, IT WAS TO BE THE TALLEST BUILDING IN EUROPE. IN YOUR GUILTY PLEA WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, YOU QUOTE SAY — IT, QUOTES, COHEN ASKED INDIVIDUAL ONE — IS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP?>>YES.>>ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP TRAVELING TO RUSSIA IN CONNECTION WITH THE MOSCOW PROJECT AND ASKED A SENIOR CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL ABOUT POTENTIAL BUSINESS TRAVEL TO RUSSIA. WHEN DID THIS CONVERSATION HAPPEN, DO YOU RECALL?>>EARLY ON IN THE CAMPAIGN.>>AND WHO WAS THE CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL?>>COREY LEWANDOWSKI.>>WHAT DID YOU DISCUSS IN THIS MEETING?>>THE POSSIBILITY OF WHICH DATES THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD HAVE AVAILABILITY, IF, IN FACT, THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OVER TO RUSSIA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT. UNFORTUNATELY, IT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION, BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE FIRST PRONG OF WHAT I NEEDED, WHICH WAS OWNERSHIP OR CONTROL OVER A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND UNTIL SUCH TIME, THERE WAS NO REASON TO COME UP WITH A DATE. BUT WHEN I FIRST RECEIVED THE INFORMATION REQUEST TO GO TO RUSSIA, WHAT I DECIDED TO DO WAS I SPOKE TO MR. TRUMP ABOUT IT, HE TOLD ME TO SPEAK TO COREY AND SEE WHAT DATES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IF I GOT THE INFORMATION I NEEDED.>>SO IT STOPPED BECAUSE OF APPEARANCES OR DID IT STOP BECAUSE THE PARTIES DECIDED NOT TO PRURSUE IT.>>I’M SORRY, I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.>>WHY DID THE PURSUIT OF THE TRUMP TOWER, WHERE MR. TRURP S TRUMP SAID HE PURSUED IT BECAUSE HE MIGHT BE GOING BACK INTO THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, WHY DID THE DEAL STOP?>>BECAUSE HE WON THAT PRESIDENCY.>>SO IN THAT INTERIM PERIOD OF TIME, HE MUST ADMIT IT LOOKS TROUBLING NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT FOREIGN INFLUENCE WAS TRYING TO DO, WHETHER THERE WAS COLLUSION OR NOT, IT CERTAINLY APPEARS TROUBLING THAT MR. TRUMP WAS PART OF THIS INVESTIGATION AT THE SAME TIME WE KNOW THAT PERHAPS SEPARATELY THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE ENGAGED IN OUR ELECTION.>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW THEM ABOUT BEING ENGAGED IN THE ELECTION. I CAN ONLY TALK FOR MYSELF. HERE I WOULD SAY TO MR. TRUMP, IN RESPONSE TO HIS QUESTION, WHAT’S GOING ON WITH RUSSIA, IS THAT I’M STILL WAITING FOR DOCUMENTS. AND THEN THAT NIGHT AT A RALLY, WE WOULD TURN AROUND AND DO HIS BATTLE CRY OF NO RUSSIA, NO COLLUSION, NO INVOLVEMENT, WITCH HUNT.>>OKAY. ON A SEPARATE SUBJECT, BUT SOMEWHAT RELATED, ON JANUARY 17th OF THIS YEAR, “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” PUBLISHED A STORY STATING THAT YOU HIRED JOHN GAUGER, THE OWNER OF A CONSULTING COMPANY WHO WORKS IN LIBERTY UNIVERSITY IN VIRGINIA TO RIG AT LEAST TWO ONLINE POLLS RELATED TO DONALD TRUMP. DID YOU HIRE HIM?>>THOSE WERE BACK IN, I BELIEVE, 2015.>>2014.>>2014. SO YOU DID HIRE HIM.>>YES, I SPOKE WITH MR. GAGGER ABOUT MANIPULATING THESE ONLINE POLLS.>>AND DID HE USE BOTS TO MANIPULATE THE POLL?>>HE USED ALGORITHMS, AND IF THAT INCLUDES BOTS, THEN YES.>>THAT’S ACCURATE. DID THE PRESIDENT HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT?>>YES.>>IN DIRECTING YOU TO DO THIS?>>YES.>>WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THE POLL?>>EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED THEM TO BE. THE CNBC POLL HE CAME IN AT NUMBER NINE AND THE DREDGE REPORT, HE WAS TOP OF THE DRUDGE REPORT, AS WELL.>>OKAY.>>THE CNBC POLL WAS FOR THE CONTENDERS AND IT WAS TOP 250 PEOPLE THAT THEY NAMED, SUPPOSED TO BE THE TOP TEN.>>EARLIER TODAY, YOU DIRECTED A COMMENT TO MY COLLEAGUES AND I’M QUOTING, SO, CORRECT ME IF I GOT THIS WRONG, YOU SAID, THE MORE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW MR. TRUMP, THE MORE PEOPLE WILL BE WHERE I AM. IS IT YOUR EXPECTATION THAT PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL END UP WHERE YOU ARE?>>SADLY, IF THEY FOLLOW BLINDLY LIKE I HAVE, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.>>THANK YOU.>>TIME IS EXPIRED.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHEN I RAN FOR CONGRESS, I TALKED ABOUT HOW WASHINGTON WAS BROKEN, BUT I CERTAINLY DID NOT EXPECT THE LEVEL OF POLITICAL GAMESMANSHIP, PARTISANSHIP, AND SHEER STAGNATION OF POLICIES THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE LIVES OF AMERICANS THAT I’M WITNESSING TODAY. IT IS TERRIBLY DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT THIS COMMITTEE AND ITS CHAIRMAN SUPPOSE TO SPEND OUR TIME IN QUESTIONING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS ZERO PROBATIVE VALUE AND ZERO CREDIBILITY INSTEAD OF SPENDING OUR LIMITED TIME FOCUSING ON IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AMERICANS, CREATING JOBS, OR STREAMLINING THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YET HERE WE ARE, TAKING TESTIMONY FROM A CONVICTED LIAR, AND NOT SOMEONE WHO HAS JUST LIED TO HIS CLIENTS OR FAMILY OR FRIENDS, BUT TESTIMONY FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DELIBERATELY AND PREMEDITATIVELY LIED TO THIS BODY. HE LIED TO CONGRESS THROUGH FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITTEN STATEMENTS, HE LIED TO CONGRESS THROUGH HIS TESTIMONY, HE AMPLIFIED HIS FALSE STATEMENT, INCLUDING OTHER POTENTIAL WITNESSES. YET NOW, WE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO BELIEVE MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY. I DON’T KNOW A JUROR IN AMERICA THAT WOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING MR. COHEN SAYS GIVEN HIS PAST ACTIONS AND LIES. MR. COHEN, YOU STOOD BEFORE MULTIPLE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES BEFORE TODAY AND RAISED YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWORE AN OATH TO BE HONEST. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>AND YOU LIED TO THOSE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES. IS THAT CORRECT?>>PREVIOUSLY?>>CORRECT.>>YES, SIR.>>YOU STATED THAT TRUMP NEVER DIRECTED YOU TO LIE TO CONGRESS. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>THEREFORE, YOU LIED TO CONGRESS ON YOUR OWN ACCORD AND ADMITTED TO LYING TO CONGRESS, CORRECT?>>I HE ALREADY STATED MY PIECE ON THAT. I KNEW WHAT HE WANTED ME TO DO. I WAS STAYING ON PARTY LINE.>>BUT HE NEVER DIRECTED YOU TO DO TO LIE.>>HE DID NOT USE THOSE WORDS, NO.>>IN YOUR EVIDENCE THAT YOU PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE A MERE TWO HOURS BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED, WERE PAYMENTS MADE TO YOU BY MR. TRUMP, CORRECT?>>AMONGST OTHER THINGS, YES.>>YET OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT THOSE SPECIFIC PAYMENTS WERE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PURPOSES, IS THAT CORRECT?>>IT’S MY TESTIMONY THAT THE CHECK THAT I PRODUCED AS PART OF THIS TESTIMONY FOR $35,000 AND THEN THE SECOND CHECK, THAT’S SIGNED BY ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND DON TRUMP JR. WERE TWO CHECKS OUT OF THE 11 THAT WERE MEANT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS.>>SO IN YOUR TESTIMONY, ON PAGE 13, YOU CLAIM, AND I QUOTE, MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACKED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF THIS DIRECTION?>>JUST THE PAYMENT, SIR.>>SO NO E-MAIL?>>MR. TRUMP DOESN’T HAVE E-MAIL.>>SO NO RECORDING.>>I DO NOT HAVE RECORDINGS, NO.>>IN TEXT MESSAGE?>>THERE TRUMP DOESN’T TEXT MESSAGE.>>NO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY THAT THAT’S WHAT THE PAYMENT WAS FOR?>>AND THE FACT THAT I PAID ON HIS BEHALF, AT HIS DIRECTION, THE MONEY TO KEITH DAVIDSON’S IOLA ACCOUNT. YOU’RE RIGHT, THERE’S NO OTHER DOCUMENTATION I HAVE.>>SO NOTHING THAT YOU PRODUCE AS PART OF YOUR EXHIBITS PROVE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECTED YOU IN ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT?>>I DON’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT, SIR.>>WELL, IT’S PRETTY SIMPLE. THERE’S NOTHING IN THE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS OF THE EXHIBITS YOU PROVIDED TODAY THAT SHOW THAT TRUMP DIRECTED YOU TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS.>>OTHER THAN THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SEIZED BY GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES AND IS WIDELY SHOWN. I DON’T BELIEVE THERE’S ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT BELIEVES THAT I JUST DECIDED TO PAY $130,000 ON HIS BEHALF.>>WELL, YOU WERE HIS ATTORNEY FOR OVER TEN YEARS.>>THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT I PAY $130,000 — >>WELL, IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE WASN’T PAYING YOU FOR REPRESENTATION OF COUNSEL.>>OKAY.>>HOW DID PRESIDENT TRUMP EVEN KNOW YOU HAD A HELOC?>>I’M SO SORRY, SIR?>>HOW DID PRESIDENT TRUMP EVEN KNOW YOU HAD A HELOC?>>BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED IT, BECAUSE I TOLD HIM THE SAME THING THAT I DIDN’T WANT MY WIFE TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. AND AS ONE ADDITIONAL, RUDY GIULIANI HIMSELF CAME OUT AND EXPRESSED THAT MR. TRUMP REIMBURSED ME FOR THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT TO PAY STORMY DANIELS.>>AND DID YOU TELL CHRIS CUOMO THAT YOU HAD NO ACCESS TO MR. TRUMP DURING FEBRUARY IN 2016.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO?>>YOUR INTERVIEW WITH CHRIS CUOMO. ZPLIL>>I WOULD NEED TO SEE THE DOCUMENT.>>DID YOU ALSO TELL CHRIS CUOMO THAT YOU MADE THESE PAYMENTS WITHOUT TELLING MR. TRUMP BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP.>>I WAS PROTECTING PRESIDENT TRUMP.>>AND YOU MADE THE PAYMENTS WITHOUT TELLING HIM.>>IF I SAID THAT, THAT WAS MY LINE.>>AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD NOT LET YOU DISCUSS IT DURING YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT?>>I DON’T WANT KNOW.>>THE GENTLEMEN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>I WANTED TO SAY ONE LAST THING. NOT ONLY DID I LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I LIED TO THE FIRST LADY, WHEN THE PRESIDENT CALLED ME AND I WAS SITTING IN A CAR WITH A FRIEND OF MINE AND HE HAD ME SPEAK TO HER AND EXPLAIN TO THE FIRST LADY. SO THE ANSWER IS, YOU’RE NOT ACCURATE. AND I DON’T FEEL GOOD ABOUT ANY OF THIS AND THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION.>>MISS LAWRENCE.>>SORRY.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD AS BEING A BLACK AMERICAN AND HAVING ENDURED THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OF RACISM FROM THE SITTING PRESIDENT, AS BEING A BLACK PERSON, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE W WHAT’S BEING SAID IN PRIVATE. AND TO PROBLEM UP ONE MEMBER OF OUR ENTIRE RACE OF BLACK PEOPLE AND SAY THAT THAT NULLIFIES THAT IS TOTALLY INSULTING AND IN THIS ENVIRONMENT OF EXPECTING A PRESIDENT TO BE INCLUSIVE AND TO LOOK AT HIS ADMINISTRATION SPEAKS VOLUME. SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS INTIMIDATION OF WITNESS. MR. COHEN, YOU WERE INITIALLY SCHEDULED TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON FEBRUARY THE 7th. BUT YOUR LEGAL TEAM DELAYED YOUR TESTIMONY, QUOTING ONGOING THREATS AGAINST YOUR FAMILY FROM THE PRESIDENT AND ATTORNEY GIULIANI. IS THAT CORRECT?>>YES, MA’AM.>>AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 29th, AFTER YOU ADMITTED THAT THE PRESIDENT’S NEGOTIATIONS OVER A REAL ESTATE PROJECT IN RUSSIA CONTINUE WELL THROUGH THE SUMMER, BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED YOU, QUOTE, A WEAK PERSON AND ACCUSED YOU OF LYING. AND THEN ON DECEMBER 16th, AFTER — 2018, AFTER YOU DISCLOSED IT WAS THE PRESIDENT WHO DIRECTED YOU TO ARRANGE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGAL TO CONCEAL HIS EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIRS, HE CALLED YOU, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, A RAT. MR. COHEN, WHY DO YOU FEEL OR BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS REPEATEDLY ATTACKING YOU. YOU ARE STATING THAT YOU FEEL INTIMIDATED, ASKING US TO PROTECT YOU, FOLLOWING YOUR COOPERATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.>>WHEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO 60 PLUS MILLION PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY WITHIN WHICH TO SPARK SOME ACTION BY INDIVIDUALS THAT FOLLOW HIM, AND FROM HIS OWN WORDS THAT HE CAN WALK DOWN FIFTH AVENUE, SHOOT SOMEONE AND GET AWAY WITH IT, IT’S NEVER COMFORTABLE WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES — >>WHAT DO YOU THINK HE CAN DO TO YOU?>>A LOT. AND IT’S NOT JUST HIM. IT’S THOSE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HIM AND HIS RHETORIC.>>WHAT IS “A LOT”?>>I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T WALK WITH MY WIFE, IF WE GO TO A RESTAURANT OR GO SOMEWHERE, I DON’T WALK WITH MY CHILDREN. I MAKE THEM GO BEFORE ME, BECAUSE I HAVE FEAR. AND IT’S THE SAME FEAR THAT I HAD BEFORE, WHEN HE INITIALLY DECIDED TO DROP THAT TWEET IN MY CELL PHONE. I RECEIVE SOME — AND I’M SURE YOU’LL UNDERSTAND — I RECEIVE SOME TWEETS, I RECEIVE SOME FACEBOOK MESSENGER, ALL SORTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKS UPON ME, WHETHER IT’S TO PRIVATE, DIRECT MESSAGE THAT I’VE HAD TO TURN OVER TO SECRET SERVICE, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST VILE, DISGUSTING STATEMENTS THAT ANYONE CAN EVER RECEIVE AND WHEN IT STARTS TO AFFECT YOUR CHILDREN, THAT’S WHEN IT REALLY AFFECTS YOU.>>ON JANUARY 20 OF 2019, MR. GIULIANI CALLED YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW, QUOTE, A CRIMINAL AND SAID THAT HE MAY HAVE TIES TO ORGANIZED CRIME. MR. COHEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT AND MR. GIULIANI PUBLICLY TARGETED YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW AS AN EFFORT TO S INTIMIDATE? CAN YOU ELABORATE, WHY IS YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW BEING PULLED INTO THIS?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. MY FATHER-IN-LAW WAS IN THE CLOTHING BUSINESS, CAME TO THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE IN 1972, 1973 THE EXPULSION OF JEWS FROM THE UKRAINE. HE CAME HERE TO THIS COUNTRY, HE WORKED HARD AND IS NOW ENJOY HIS RETIREMENT. NEVER IN MY LIFE DID I THINK THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD DO SOMETHING SO DISGRACEFUL. AND HE’S ATTACKING HIM BECAUSE HE KNOWS I CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY AND TO HURT ME, HE’S TRYING TO HURT THEM. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MY FATHER-IN-LAW’S BIGGEST INVESTMENTS HAPPENED TO BE IN A TRUMP PROPERTY. SO IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.>>I WANT TO BE CLEAR, ANY EFFORTS TO PREVENT A WITNESS FROM TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS IS AGAINST THE LAW. I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THAT. AND AS A CHAIRMAN HAS SAID, RETALIATING AGAINST WITNESSES AND THREATENING THEIR FAMILIES AND MEMBERS IS A TEXTBOOK MOB TACTIC THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR THIS COUNTRY. AND I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD, THIS HEARING IS NOT ABOUT DISCREDITING THE PRESIDENT. IT’S ABOUT THE OATH OF OFFICE WE TAKE AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES AND TO MEET THE LAWS AND THE POLICIES OF THIS COUNTRY TO SERVE. THANK YOU AND I YIELD BACK.>>MR. RORY?>>MR. COHEN, I, TOO, WANT TO OFFER MY HEARTFELT THOUGHTS FOR YOUR FAMILY AND WHAT THEY’RE GOING THROUGH. I KNOW IT’S TOUGH, AND FOR YOUR TIME HERE TODAY, I KNOW IT’S TOUGH FOR YOU TO STAND HERE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE. THE CHAIRMAN SAID THAT YOU VOLUNTEERED TO COME HERE. YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO COME HERE. WERE YOU ASKED TO COME HERE?>>YES.>>THE COMBINED CRIMES WOULD BRING A MAXIMUM OF 70 YEARS. YES OR NO?>>YES.>>YET YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON FOR THREE YEARS. YES OR NO?>>YES.>>TO SECURE LOANS, YOU TOLD MY COLLEAGUES HERE TODAY THAT YOU DID NOT COMMIT BANK FRAUD. NOT PARSING DIFFERENT STATUTES, ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, YES OR NO?>>YES, I PLED GUILTY.>>YOU SAID CLEARLY TO MR. CLOUD AND MR. JORDAN THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK LAWYERS WERE BEING UNTRUTHFUL IN CHAR CHARACTERIZING YOUR DESIRES TO WORK IN THE ADMINISTRATION. ARE THEY BEING UNTRUTHFUL IN MAKING THAT CHARACTERIZATION, YES OR NO?>>I’M SAYING THAT’S NOT ACCURATE.>>SO YOU’RE SAYING THEY’RE BEING UNTRUTHFUL.>>I’M NOT SAYING THEY’RE BEING UNTRUTHFUL. I DID NOT WANT A ROLE OR TITLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION. I GOT THE TITLE THEY WANTED.>>I’M SURE THE LAWYERS OF THE SDNY APPRECIATE THAT DISTINCTION. YOU TESTIFY THAT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO PRAGUE AND THE CZECH REPUBLIC. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT STATEMENT?>>YES, I DO.>>I OFFER INTO THE RECORD AN ARTICLE IN KNOWN CONSERVATIVE NEWS MAGAZINE MOTHER JONES IN WHICH HE SAID, I HAVEN’T BEEN IN PRAGUE FOR 14 YEARS. QUESTION, YOU, AS MY FRIEND, MR. ARMSTRONG RIGHTLY INQUIRED, OFFERED TO THE COMMITTEE TAPED INFORMATION INVOLVING CLIENTS WITH THE BAT OF AN EYE. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT, YES OR NO?>>I’M SORRY, SORRY, YOU SAID IT SO FAST.>>YOU, AS MY FRIEND, MR. ARMSTRONG, RIGHTLY INQUIRED, OFFERED TO THIS COMMITTEE TAPED CONVERSATIONS. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT OFFER?>>IF THE CHAIRMAN ASKS ME, I’LL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT NOW AND IT’S NOT A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE, YES, I’LL TURN IT OVER.>>YOU, MY FRIEND, MISS MEADOWS MISLED THIS STATEMENT. YOU HAVE SUGGESTED YOU ARE GOING TO REVIEW THAT. ARE YOU GOING TO REVIEW IT IN OUR NEXT BREAK TO CORRECT THE RECORD WELCOME YES OR NO?>>YES.>>QUESTION, YOU HELPED OUT THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN OR WERE INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN AS A REPRESENTATIVE, AS A SPOKESMAN, EVEN IN YOUR WORDS TODAY, IT WAS YOUR IDEA FOR THE CAMPAIGN DATING BACK TO 2011. IS THAT ACCURATE, YES OR NO?>>YES.>>2011 IS A YEAR THAT STICKS IN MY HEAD. IT WAS THE YEAR MY DAUGHTER WAS BORN AND IT WAS THE YEAR I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER. I WAS NOT THEN PUSHING FOR DONALD TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT. I WAS FIGHTING CANCER. EVEN IN 2016, I WAS PUBLICLY BACKING A CERTAIN REPUBLICAN FROM TEXAS. SOME MIGHT GUESS WHO IT WAS. BUT YOU, YOU WERE ALL IN. AND YOU EITHER WANTED DONALD TRUMP TO BE YOUR PRESIDENT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY OR YOU DID IT FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL ADVANCEMENT OR BOTH. SORT OF THE TWO OPTIONS. REAL AMERICANS IN MY DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WANTED THE PRESIDENT TO BE PRESIDENT NOT IN ANY WAY BECAUSE HE’S PERFECT, BUT RATHER BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS HELLHOLE. THEY SUPPORTED THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE GAMES THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE TODAY. THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF POLITICIANS WHO REFUSE TO SECURE THE BORDER, BALANCE OUR BUDGET, RESTORE HEALTH CARE FREEDOM, AND THEN GET THE HELL OUT OF THEIR WAY SO THEY CAN LEAD THEIR LIFE. THEY ARE MYSTIFIED THAT WE AMASS ABOUT $100 MILLION OF DEBT PER HOUR, WHICH MEANS WE’VE BLOWN THROUGH 300, $400, $450 MILLION DURING THIS CHARADE. THEY’RE SICK AND TIRED OF A DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT WILLFULLY IGNORES CARTEL DRIVEN VIOLENCE ON OUR BORDER. JUST YESTERDAY, IN TEXAS, BORDER AGENTS ARRESTED A MS-13 GANG MEMBER. IN McALLEN, TEXAS, FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ARE OFFERING A REWARD FOR A MAN TIED TO MEXICO’S GULF CARTEL FOR HIS ROLE IN KIDNAPPINGS AND HOME INVASIONS IN SOUTH TEXAS. A MASS HONDURAN MIGRANT AT THE TEXAS BORDER FORCED BRIEF CLOSURE OF THE LAREDO PORT. THIS IS THIS WEEK. THIS IS WHAT WE’RE IGNORING. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE’RE DOING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHILE WE ENGAGE IN THIS CHARADE. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR OUR COUNTRY. I TALKED TO MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE BACK IN DRIPPING SPRINGS, TEXAS, JUST BEFORE THE HEARING. I SAID, DON’T BOTHER WATCHING. SHE SAID, AS I ROUGHLY EXPECTED, DON’T WORRY, I WON’T. I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO. AND SHE, LIKE THE REST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HAVE A HELL OF A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN TO WATCH THIS! I SAID, AMEN, DARLING. I CAN’T HELP BUT THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THINKING WHILE WATCHING THIS UNBELIEVABLE CIRCUS. I YIELD BACK.>>MR. VASQUEZ.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I’VE GOT A LOT TO DO, AS WELL. I’VE GOT HOUSES AND SCHOOLS TO HELP REBUILD IN THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, EXPANSION OF VOTING RIGHTS, EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, THANK GOD THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME, SO WE’RE HERE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW. MR. COHEN, YOU LEARNED WELL IN THE TEN YEARS THAT YOU WORKED WITH DONALD TRUMP. WHAT WAS YOUR POSITION WITH THE GOP IN THE UP TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO?>>I WAS VICE CHAIR OF THE RNC FINANCE COMMITTEE.>>YOU WERE VICE CHAIR OF THE FINANCE OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, RIGHT?>>CORRECT.>>OKAY.>>I DO WANT TO SAY I WAS A DEMOCRAT UNTIL STEVE NGUYEN FOUND OUT I WAS A DEMOCRAT AND MADE ME SWITCH PARTIES.>>THAT WOULD BE THE SMART THING TO DO.>>IT WASN’T SMART FOR A DEMOCRAT TO BE THE VICE CHAIR.>>GOOD. LET’S GET TO IT. I ONLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. ON BEHALF OF THE MANY MEMBERS HERE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED TO YOUR FAMILY OUR APOLOGIES TO YOUR FAMILY, BUT I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS AND TWEETS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS BODY, AND AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR AND AS FORMER COUNCIL ON HOUSE ETHICS, I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST, THERE SHOULD BE A REFERRAL TO THE ETHICS COMMITTEE OF WITNESS INTIMIDATION OR TAMPERING UNDER USC-1512 OF MY COLLEAGUE, MATT GAETZ, AND OF MAYBE, POSSIBLY, HIM BEING REFERRED FOR A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. SO I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. ON MAY 2nd, 2018, THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO WAS HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY, LIKE YOU, APPEARED ON FOX NEWS AND REFERRED TO THE PRESIDENT’S REIMBURSEMENT TO YOU FOR THE 130 PAYMENT FOR STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AS PART OF A RETAINER. AND ON MAY 3rd, 2018, ONE DAY AFTER MR. GIULIANI’S APPEARANCE, THE PRESIDENT TWEETED, AND I QUOTE, MR. COHEN, AN ATTORNEY, RECEIVED A MONTHLY RETAINER, NOT FROM THE CAMPAIGN, AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN, FROM WHICH HE ENTERED INTO THROUGH A REIMBURSEMENT, A PRIVATE CONTRACT, BETWEEN TWO PARTIES, KNOWN AS A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT OR NDA. THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS, THE AGENCY WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH RESPONSIBILITY OVER WHAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO REPORT PUBLICLY ABOUT HIS ASSETS WAS PUZZLED BY THIS. IT SEEMS, AND THEY WERE SKEPTICAL THAT A RETAINER WAS ACTUALLY IN PLACE AND ASKED TO SEE THE RETAINER AGREEMENT ON CALL OF MAY 8th, WITH THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL COUNSEL, SHERRY DILLON, REPLIED THAT SHE WOULD, AND I QUOTE, NOT PERMIT OGE STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGED. MISS DILLON WOULD NOT EVEN LET OGE STAFF COME TO HER OFFICE TO REVIEW THE RETAINER AGREEMENT. MR. COHEN, IN A COURT FILING MADE IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS STATED THAT, QUOTE, IN TRUTH AND IN FACT, THERE WAS NO SUCH RETAINER AGREEMENT. MR. COHEN, DID YOU EVER HAVE A RETAINER AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR THE PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORD?>>NO.>>SO WAS MR. GIULIANI’S STATEMENT INACCURATE?>>YES.>>WAS MISS DILLON’S STATEMENT ABOUT THE RETAINER AGREEMENT INACCURATE?>>I’M SORRY, MISS DILLON’S STATEMENT IS?>>ABOUT THE RETAINER AGREEMENT.>>HER STATEMENT IS?>>NOT TO PERMIT OGE STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGED?>>THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT.>>AND IS THE PRESIDENT’S TWEET OR HIS STATEMENT ACCURATE?>>I’M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME?>>HIS STATEMENT WAS, MR. COHEN, AN ATTORNEY, RECEIVED A MONTHLY RETAINER, NOT FROM THE CAMPAIGN AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN, FROM WHICH HE ENTERED INTO THROUGH A REIMBURSEMENT.>>THAT’S NOT ACCURATE.>>YOU’VE MENTIONED SOME INDIVIDUALS TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM NEW YORK MISS CONNELLY AND ALSO IN YOUR TESTIMONY ABOUT MR. WISENBERG AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS, MISS RHONA. WHO ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS? ARE THEY WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION?>>THEY ARE.>>AND ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH?>>SO ALLEN WEISSELBERG IS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.>>YOU’VE GOT TO QUICKLY GIVE US AS MANY NAMES AS YOU CAN, SO WE CAN GET TO THEM.>>YES, MA’AM.>>IS MISS RHONA. WHAT IS MISS RHONA?>>RHONA GRAF IS MR. TRUMP’S EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT.>>AND WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO CORROBORATE MANY OF THE STATEMENTS YOU’VE MADE HERE?>>HER OFFICE IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO HIS AND SHE’S INVOLVED IN A LOT, THAT WENT ON.>>OKAY, MR. COHEN, WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS IN 2018, DID THEY REACH OUT TO YOU TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS?>>NO, MA’AM.>>AND WHAT DID YOU — DID YOU SHARE ANYTHING WITH THEM OTHERWISE, IN ANY OTHER CONVERSATION?>>I DO NOT RECALL, KNOW.>>CAN THE COMMITTEE OBTAIN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE FACTS BY OBTAINING TESTIMONY AND DOCUMENTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, AND THE PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEYS?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SHOULD BE SPEAKING WITH AND I YIELD BACK AT THIS TIME.>>COMMITTEE WILL NOW STAND IN RECESS AGAIN. WE WILL COME BACK. LISTEN UP, 35 MINUTES. 35 MINUTES AFTER THE LAST VOTE BEGINS. SO FOR MR. COHEN, MR. COHEN, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO.>>SUBSTANTIAL BREAK HERE FOR THE MICHAEL COHEN HEARINGS. ONLY ABOUT FIVE DEMOCRATS LEFT TO QUESTION MR. COHEN. OF COURSE, WE’VE SEEN THE STRATEGIES UNFOLDING DURING THE DAY. THE DEMOCRATS FOCUSING ON THE MOST EXPLOSIVE POTENTIAL CLAIMS FROM MICHAEL COHEN ON WIKILEAKS, WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS WIKILEAKS LEAK FROM JULIAN ASSANGE DURING THE CAMPAIGN, THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGAL AND MICHAEL COHEN’S FALSE TESTIMONY TO CONGRESS OVER THE MOSCOW TRUMP TOWER. REPUBLICANS FOCUSING ON MICHAEL COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. ON THE FACT THAT THE HEARING IS BEING HELD AT ALL AND WHETHER COHEN EVENTUALLY INTENDS TO PROFIT FROM IT. BUT PERHAPS THE BIGGEST NEWS IN THIS LAST SEX HAD TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT MICHAEL COHEN COULD NOT TALK ABOUT. HE COULDN’T ANSWER SEVERAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE SAID THEY WERE STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT PROSECUTORS AND THEN HE WAS ASKED THIS.>>IS THERE ANY OTHER WRONGDOING OR ILLEGAL ACT THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF REGARDING DONALD TRUMP, THAT WE HAVEN’T YET DISCUSSED TODAY?>>YES. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION THAT’S CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>I WANT TO BRING IN OUR SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT, PIERRE THOMAS FOR MORE ON THAT VERY ACTIVE INVESTIGATION RIGHT NOW. MICHAEL COHEN PERHAPS A KEY WITNESS.>>WELL, GEORGE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID IS THAT HE’S IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. THAT WAS NEWS TO ALL OF US. WE KNEW THAT HE HAD BEEN INTERROGATED AGAIN BY THEM, POST HIS SENTENCING. BUT HE SAYS HE’S IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT. ALSO, HE POINTED OUT THAT HE WAS BEING ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT CONTACT EITHER BETWEEN TRUMP OAR SURROGATE, REGARDING THE POST TIME AFTER HIS HOME AND BUSINESSES WERE RAIDED. SO IT’S CLEAR THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT IS STILL ACTIVELY INVESTIGATING SOME ASPECTS INVOLVING THE PRESIDENT AND/OR HIS SURROGATES.>>OKAY, PIERRE. AND SOME OF OUR STATIONS ARE GOING BACK TO THEIR REGULAR PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. OUR ANALYSIS CONTINUES RIGHT NOW. DAN ANDREWS, WHAT STRUCK YOU THE MOST?>>THE FACT THAT IT’S IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. WE NOW SEE THAT AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF AN INVESTIGATION RELATED TO DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF IS NOW IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. AND THAT’S GOT TO BE A REAL CONCERN FOR HIM. THAT’S PROBABLY THE WORST THING, I THINK, THAT HE’S HEARD FROM COHEN’S TESTIMONY FROM AN INVESTIGATIVE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THE BEST THING THAT HE’S HEARD FROM AN INVESTIGATIVE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IS WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS, YOU HAVE MICHAEL COHEN SAYING, IN ESSENCE, THAT THERE WERE TWO REASONS THAT HE WAS DOING THIS. NUMBER ONE, TO TRY AND INFLUENCE THE ELECTION AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS DIDN’T COME OUT AND HURT HIM. BUT NUMBER TWO, SO MELANIA DIDN’T FIND OUT. BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL FOR THEM TO PAY TO PREVENT MELANIA FROM FINDING OUT. IT IS NOT LEGAL TO PAY IF THE GOAL IS TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION.>>SO THEN IT BECOMES A FIGHT OUT IN COURT, IF THE PROSECUTION IS RIGHT.>>AND LISTEN, AS A U.S. ATTORNEY WHO HAD TO MAKE THESE JUDGMENTS ON FOLKS THAT WERE BIG FISH IN NEW JERSEY, BUT NOT NEARLY AS BIG AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WE HAD A PRETTY SIMPLE RULE. IF IT WASN’T A HEAD SHOT, YOU CAN’T TAKE IT. AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IS IF THERE’S A KEY WITNESS, IT WOULD BE MICHAEL COHEN ON THIS ISSUE. AND HE’S GOING TO GO UP THERE AND SAY BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. AND IF HE SAYS BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, PRESUMABLY DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO SAY, NO, NO, THAT WAS JUST TO PREVENT IT FROM MY WIFE AND MY CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED BY THIS REVELATION. AND I DON’T THINK IT’S A POSSIBILITY TO BRING THAT CASE. I DO THINK THE OTHER THING, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, IT’S IMPORTANT TO REEMPHASIZE, THIS IS NOT A HARD ARGUMENT TO MAKE. DAN JUST MADE IT VERY BRIEFLY AND VERY WELL, THE FACT THAT NO REPUBLICAN IN HOURS MADE THAT ARGUMENT IS STUNNING TO ME.>>DO YOU FEEL THEY DIDN’T NEED TO?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, BUT IF THEY FELT THEY DIDN’T NEED TO, THEY WERE WRONG. SOMEONE NEEDS TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HERE. HE’S BEING ACCUSED OF CRIMES BY A GUY WHO SEEMINGLY HAS INSIDE KNOWLEDGE OF IT. BUT THERE IS AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS, AND NO ONE’S DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT. THAT MEANS EITHER THE HOUSE DID NOT CONSULT WITH THE WHITE HOUSE AT ALL IN CRAFTING THIS STRATEGY AND THEY DID AND THE WHITE HOUSE DROPPED THE BALL. BUT EITHER WAY, THE PRESIDENT, I CAN GUARANTEE, I KNOW HIM WELL, HE’S SITTING IN VIETNAM RIGHT NOW FUMING THAT NO ONE’S DEFENDING HIM.>>I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU, CECELIA VEGA. WE SAW THE PRMATT GAETZ COME OU THAT TWEET DESIGNED TO INTIMIDATE HIM. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT DURING THIS TESTIMONY. WE HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT GIVEN HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MICHAEL COHEN, THAT WHAT HE HAS HEARD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS HAS HIM FUMING.>>AND LET’S JUST REMIND OUR VIEWERS. IT’S 2:40 ALMOST IN THE MORNING IN VIETNAM WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS. I DON’T KNOW THAT WE KNOW, AS WE’RE SITTING RIGHT HERE, WHETHER THIS WILL END UP BEING A BAD DAY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN HIS PRESIDENCY. THIS IS CERTAINLY A BAD DAY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY. MICHAEL COHEN IS PULLING BACK THE CURTAIN ON WHAT HE SAYS IT WAS LIKE ALL THOSE YEARS IN THE TRUMP ORBIT. HE SAYS ONE OF THE MOST SHOCKING THINGS HE SAID TO ME IN THIS LAST FEW HOURS OF TESTIMONY, ABOUT 500 TIMES, HE SAID THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM TO THREATEN PEOPLE. HE SAYS HE DOESN’T GIVE QUESTIONS, HE DOESN’T GIVE ORDERS, BUT HE SPEAKS IN CODE. AND I WAS IN THAT ORBIT FOR SO LONG, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT CODE MEANS. IT SOUNDS VERY MUCH LIKE THE SAME STUFF WE HEARD FROM COMEY AND McCABE. THAT HE IS MAKING THESE DEMANDS.>>I WANT TO PLAY AN EXCHANGE WITH JOE CONNOLLY, DEMOCRAT OF VIRGINIA, IT WAS ABOUT HIS TESTIMONY OVER THE TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW AND HE GETS DIRECTLY AT THAT POINT.>>SO YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ABOUT YOUR IMPENDING TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, IS THAT CORRECT? Z>>THAT’S CORRECT Z.>>WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THAT CONVERSATION?>>HE WANTED ME TO COOPERATE. HE ALSO WANTED JUST TO ENSURE BY MAKING THE STATEMENT AND I SAID IT IN MY TESTIMONY, THERE IS NO RUSSIA, THERE IS NO COLLUSION, THERE IS NO — THERE IS NO DEAL. HE GOES, IT’S ALL A WITCH HUNT, AND HE GOES, THIS STUFF HAS TO END.>>DID YOU TAKE THOSE COMMENTS TO BE SUGGESTIVE OF WHAT MIGHT FLAVOR YOUR TESTIMONY?>>SIR, HE’S BEEN SAYING THAT TO ME FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED ME TO SAY. Z>>AND WHY WAS MR. SEKULOW IN THE MEETING?>>BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO BE REPRESENTING MR. TRUMP, GOING FORWARD. AS ONE OF HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEYS IN THIS MATTER >>SO IT WAS SORT OF A HANDOFF MEETING?>>CORRECT.>>IN ANY WAY, FINAL QUESTION — DID THE PRESIDENT IN ANY WAY FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW COACH YOU IN TERMS OF HOW TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS OR THE CONTENT OF YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE A HOUSE COMMITTEE?>>AGAIN, IT’S DIFFICULT TO ANSWER, BECAUSE HE DOESN’T TELL YOU WHAT HE WANTS. WHAT HE DOES IS, AGAIN, MICHAEL, THERE’S NO RUSSIA, THERE’S NO COLLUSION, THERE’S NO INVOLVEMENT, THERE’S NO INTERFERENCE. I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS, BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR SO LONG. SO IF YOU’RE ASKING ME WHETHER OR NOT THAT’S THAT MESSAGE, THAT’S STAYING ON POINT, THAT’S THE PARTY LINE THAT HE CREATED THAT SO MANY TOUTING, YES, THAT’S THE MESSAGE HE WANTED TO REINFORCE.>>Reporter: SO REMINISCENT OF THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD FROM JAMES COMEY, AS CECELIA WAS JUST SAYING, BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAS DONE IN THAT TESTIMONY OVER TRUMP TOWER IS IMPLICATE OTHERS. JAY SEKULOW, HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT JARED KUSHNER’S LAWYER, AS WELL, ABBE LOWELL, AND WHETHER THEY KNEW THAT THEY WEREN’T NECESSARILY TELLING THE TRUTH AS THEY EDITED HIS TESTIMONY. THAT COULD BE FODDER FOR MORE HEARINGS.>>THAT’S RIGHT. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THEY ARE NOW AMASSING A WITNESS LIST HERE. AND WITH EVERY NAME THAT MICHAEL COHEN DROPS, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE THEIR OWN LAWYERS, IT SOUNDS LIKE. BECAUSE HE IS ESSENTIALLY IMPLICATING THEM IN HIS CRIMES. BUT THE POINT OF THE HEARING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND WHAT HE HAS DONE. AND GOVERNOR CHRISTIE WAS TALKING EARLIER BEFORE THIS LAST BREAK ABOUT RUNNING AGAINST DONALD TRUMP AND FINDING HIM BULLETPROOF, POLITICALLY, ESPECIALLY ON THE ISSUES OF VETERANS, JOHN McCAIN, THAT INFAMOUS COMMENT. THERE’S THE OLD SAYING IN CHICAGO POLITICS, WE DON’T WANT NOBODY NOBODY SENT. SOMEBODY SENT DONALD TRUMP. FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THERE ARE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE THAT HE FIGHTS FOR THEM SO THEY ARE GOING TO FIGHT FOR HIM. AND UNTIL THAT’S BROKEN, I THINK WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IS WHAT WE SAW IN THIS HEARING. THAT ROCK SOLID PARTISAN DIVIDE, REPUBLICANS STILL STAUNCHLY BEHIND HIM, WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS STILL AT 75, 80% SUPPORT. I DON’T THINK WHAT WE’VE HEARD TODAY SO FAR WHILE IT WILL STIR UP A LOT MORE ACTIVITY, CONGRESSIONAL ACTIVITY, NOT SURE IT’S GOING TO MOVE THE DIAL POLITICALLY.>>THAT IS THE POLITICS, CHRIS CHRISTIE, THOUGH, THE OTHER POINT THAT MICHAEL COHEN COULD NOT TALK ABOUT, WHEN WE WENT TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS COMMUNICATIONS WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP FOLLOWING THE RAID — THE FBI RAID ON HIS OFFICES, ON MICHAEL COHEN’S OFFICES AND HOMES BACK IN 2017. THAT SUGGESTED, AT LEAST, THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT IS LOOKING AT THE ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION.>>RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT GEORGE AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT IS THE MUCH MORE DANGEROUS THEY THINK. TODAY, AMERICA GOT A PREVIEW OF THAT. YOU KNOW, PROSECUTORS NEED TOUR GUIDES. THEY’RE MOST EFFECT I HAIVE WHEY HAVE A TOUR GUIDE THROUGH A PARTICULAR WORLD. MICHAEL COHEN IS SHOWING HIMSELF TODAY TO BE A TOUR GUIDE AND HAVE A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW. AND WHEN’S CORROBORATED BY WRITTEN EVIDENCE, I THINK HE’S AN EFFECTIVE ONE. BUT THAT LAST BIT OF TESTIMONY YOU PLAYED IN THE BACK AND FORTH, I THINK THAT’S WHERE HE DP GETS HIMSELF A LITTLE OUT THERE, BECAUSE WHEN HE’S SAYING, I KNEW, YOU’RE ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF SOMETHING, AND YOU CAN’T USE THAT, NOT EFFECTIVELY, I THINK. SO COHEN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE’S TRYING TO DO, AND HE MAY BE VERY WELL TELLING THE TRUTH FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE THAT IS WHAT HELD THOUGHT. BUT IT’S VERY HARD TO IMPUGN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BASED UPON THAT AND FOR PROSECUTORS TO DO IT.>>AND DON’T FORGET THAT. ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS AFTER THE RAID WAS ABOUT A POSSIBLE PARDON. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OBSTRUCTION, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE GETTING AT IS, DID ANYONE DANGLE A PARDON? NOT JUST THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, ANYONE CONNECTED TO THE PRESIDENT, RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT. AND THAT QUESTION WASN’T ANSWERED. THAT’S ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE HE’S SAYING, I CAN’T TALK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE THERE’S AN ONGOING ACTIVE INVESTIGATION GOING ON THERE.>>YOU CAN BE SURE HE ANSWERED THEM, THOUGH.>>OH, SURE.>>GUYS IN THE SOUTHERN KNOW.>>THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK KNOWS MORE THAN WE DO NOW TODAY.>>VOLUMES MORE. WHEN HE DIDN’T ANSWER THOSE TWO SETS OF QUESTIONS, WHAT YOU NOW KNOW IS HE’S ALREADY ANSWERED THEM FOR THE FOLKS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>ANYTHING HE’S NOT ANSWERED –>>HE’S ALREADY ANSWERED AND THEY’VE ASKED HIM NOT TO TALK ABOUT. MEANING THEY THINK IT’S IMPORTANT ENOUGH AND STILL ACTIVE THAT THEY’VE ASKED HIM, PLEASE DO NOT ADDRESS THESE QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF CONGRESS.>>HOW BIG A THREAT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP IF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT GOES INSIDE, CROSSES THAT RED LINE THAT HE SAYS SHOULDN’T BE CROSSED, CROSSES THE RED LINE OF FINANCES AND GOES INSIDE THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION?>>I MEAN, LISTEN, THEY ARE INSIDE OF IT ALREADY. YOU HEARD MICHAEL COHEN TALKING ABOUT ALLEN WEISSELBERG — >>CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.>>DIFFERENT INVOLVEMENT. THIS IS A GUY WHO HAS BEEN THERE SINCE DONALD TRUMP’S FATHER WAS RUNNING THE ORGANIZATION. THIS IS A GUY WITH ENORMOUS HISTORY, YOU HEARD THEM DROP RHONA GRAF’S NAME, HIS LONGTIME PERSONAL ASSISTANT. SO THAT RED LINE IN MY VIEW HAS ALREADY BEEN CROSSED. MICHAEL COHEN SIGNALLING THAT ALREADY BY THE WAY HE’S TALKING. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE IDEA AND TERRY SAID BEFORE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET LAWYERS, THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM. AND THERE’S NO DOUBT THAT THESE PEOPLE, MY GUESS IS, HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONTACTED IN ONE WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM EITHER THROUGH SUBPOENA OR INFORMAL REQUEST TO LAWYERS TO START GIVING INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT COHEN TOLD THEM PROBABLY WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS AGO.>>AND THERE’S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHORT-TERM RISK AND LONG-TERM RISK, RIGHT? SHORT-TERM RISK, YOU’VE GOT TO LOOK AT DON JR. AND ANYONE ELSE WHO’S IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, ET CETERA. IS THERE ANY KIND OF IMMEDIATE RISK FOR THEM LEGALLY BASED ON DIGGING DO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, ET CETERA. THAT’S WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT WOULD BE WORKING ON. THERE IS NO IMMUNITY FOR DON JR. OR JARED KUSHNER OR WHOEVER IT IS. THE ONLY IMMUNITY HERE COULD BE FOR THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.>>LET’S GO TO MARY BRUCE, SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT UP ON CAPITOL HILL. AND YOU’RE LEARNING MORE AS YOU TALK TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ABOUT THE KIND OF FOLLOW-ON THEY’RE EXPECTING.>>Reporter: YEAH, GEORGE, WE’VE BEEN OUT HERE SPEAKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE GROUNDWORK THEY SEEM TO BE LAYING HERE THROUGH THEIR TESTIMONY AND MANY DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID THAT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE CLOSE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM HERE PUBLICLY, INCLUDING SEVERAL MEMBERS HAVE TOLD ME, DON JR., THE PRESIDENT’S SON. THEY’VE ALSO THROWN AROUND THE NAME ROGER STONE, STEVE BANNON, OTHER PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE ISSUES CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT. YOU’VE ALSO SPOKE TO SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS ON THIS COMMITTEE. NOT SURPRISINGLY, THEY ARE CONTINUING TO RAIL AGAINST COHEN FOR HIS LIES, BUT FASCINAINFASC, THEY ARE NOT SPEAKING STILL ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF COHEN’S CLAIMS. JIM JORDAN, TOP REPUBLICAN ON THE COMMITTEE STILL REFUSING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VORACITY OF THE DOCUMENTS HERE PRESENTED BY MICHAEL COHEN AND NOT SURPRISINGLY, GEORGE, DEMOCRATS STILL DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. THEY SAY THAT IS SIMPLY TOO SOON. THEY ARE SIMPLY DEALING WITH THE FACTS IN FRONT OF THEM TODAY.>>YEAH, MARY, THEY’RE STAYING OFF OF THAT. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE HAD THE CHANCE TO ASK SOME REPUBLICANS AS THEY COME OUT, BUT I WONDER IF YOU HAVE TALKED TO THEM ALL ABOUT THE POINT CHRIS CHRISTIE IS MAKING, THIS WHOLE STRATEGY OF NOT REALLY DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT IN ANY SUBSTANTIATIVE WAY, SIMPLY ATTACKING MICHAEL COHEN.>>Reporter: YEAH, THAT IS THE BIG QUESTION WE ARE TRYING TO POSE TO ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS AS THEY COME OUT OF THIS HEARING. IT’S VERY CLEAR THAT THEY ARE IN LOCKSTEP WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR MESSAGING AGAINST COHEN, BUT THEY HAVEN’T HAD ANY RESPONSE YET TO WHAT HE’S BEEN SAYING TO THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, TO THE EVIDENCE THAT COHEN CLAIMS TO BE PRESENTING HERE TODAY. YOU KNOW, COHEN HAS SAID, LOOK, YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE HIM AT HIS WORDS, THAT’S WHY HE BROUGHT THESE DOCUMENTS AND THAT’S WHY HE HAS THESE CHECKS. AND REPUBLICANS SO FAR HAVE BEEN UNIFIED IN NOT WANTING TO TAKE ON DIRECTLY THOSE SUBSTANTIATIVE CLAIMS. WHAT THEY WILL ULTIMATELY SAY IF WE CAN GET THROUGH TO THEM WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE, GEORGE.>>MARY, THANKS. I WANT TO PLAY ANOTHER EXCHANGE, ONE THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAD WITH KATIE HILL, DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN FROM CALIFORNIA OVER THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS AND THE PRESIDENT’S INVOLVEMENT.>>ON FEBRUARY 13th, 2018, MR. COHEN, YOU SENT A STATEMENT TO THE REPORTERS THAT SAID, QUOTE, I USED MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS TO FACILITATE A PAYMENT OF $130,000 TO MISS STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AND NEAR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION NOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS PARTY TO THE PAYMENT WITH MISS CLIFFORD OR REIMBURSED ME EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. WAS THE STATEMENT FALSE?>>THE STATEMENT WAS NOT FALSE. I PURPOSE FFULLY LEFT OUT MR. TRUMP INDIVIDUAL LIP FROM THAT STATEMENT.>>OKAY, WHY DID YOU SAY IT THAT WAY?>>BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TO DO BETWEEN MYSELF, MR. TRUMP, AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG?>>SO IT WAS CAREFULLY WORDED?>>YES, MA’AM.>>MR. COHEN, A REPORTER FOR THE MAGAZINE “VANITY FAIR” SAYS SHE INTERVIEWED YOU THE VERY NEXT DAY ABOUT THE PAYMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT. AND SHE WROTE, QUOTE, LAST FEBRUARY 14th I INTERVIEWED COHEN IN HIS OFFICE ABOUT THE STATEMENT HE GAVE THE FEC IN WHICH TRUMP SAID HE DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THE PAYMENT OR REIMBURSED HIM FOR IT. DO YOU RECALL THIS MEETING WITH A REPORTER?>>I DO.>>THE REPORTER ALSO WROTE, TRUMP CALLED WHILE I WAS THERE. I COULDN’T HEAR MUCH, BUT HE WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGING WOULD BE. WAS THAT ACCURATE?>>THAT IS.>>DID THE PRESIDENT CALL YOU WHILE YOU WERE HAVING A MEETING WITH THE REPORTER?>>YES.>>DID THE PRESIDENT CALL YOU TO COORDINATE ON PUBLIC MESSAGING TO THE PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORDS IN OR AROUND FEBRUARY 2018?>>YES.>>WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT ASK OR SUGGEST YOU SAY ABOUT THE PAYMENTS OR REIMBURSEMENTS?>>HE WAS NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THESE REIMBURSEMENTS AND HE WASN’T KNOWLEDGEABLE OF MY ACTIONS.>>HE ASKED YOU TO SAY THAT?>>YES, MA’AM.>>SO WHAT WE HAVE THERE IS MICHAEL COHEN SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT TOLD HIM NOT TO TELL THE TRUTH. TOLD HIM ABOUT THOSE PAYMENTS, SECECEILIA VEGA, YOU COVER THE WHITE HOUSE EVERY DAY AND WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS DENYING ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PAYMENTS, INCLUDING THIS EXCHANGE ON AIR FORCE ONE.>>DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE $130,000 PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS?>>NO.>>THEN WHY DID MICHAEL COHEN MAKE IT IF THERE WAS NO TRUTH TO THE ALLEGATIONS?>>YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK MICHAEL COHEN. MICHAEL’S MY ATTORNEY AND YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK MICHAEL.>>DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE GOT THE MONEY TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT?>>NO, I DON’T KNOW.>>APPARENTLY HE HAD ALREADY HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH MICHAEL COHEN. THEY’VE BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP ON THIS ONE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. THE PRESIDENT ON CAMERA THERE, HIS LAWYERS HAVE BEEN ON CAMERA, GIVING VARIOUS EXPLANATIONS FOR WHO KNEW WHAT, WHEN. IT REALLY, THOUGH, IF WE ALL JUST PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ALLEGEDLY MAKING PAYMENTS TO A PORN STAR TO KEEP AN AFFAIR QUIET. I MEAN, IT JUST GETS BACK TO THE REMARKABLE NATURE OF WHAT WE’RE WITNESSING ON A DAILY BASIS THAT HAS BECOME SORT OF COMMON PRACTICE, THAT WE’RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PAYMENTS TO A PORN STAR AND COVERING THIS WHITE HOUSE. AND SPEAKING OF THE PORN STAR, GEORGE, STORMY DANIELS HAS A STATEMENT OUT RIGHT NOW THAT OUR TEAM JUST GOT. AND SHE IS — YOU KNOW, SHE AND MICHAEL COHEN ARE BITTER RIVALS. SHE SAYS THAT HE WAS AMONG THOSE WHO THREATENED HER MANY TIMES AND SHE’S NOW SAYING, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE COURAGE AT LONG LAST TO BEGIN TO TELL THE TRUTH.>>IT TURNED OUT, CECELIA, THANK YOU, IT TURNED OUT, DAN ABRAMS, THAT THERE WAS A LOT MORE TALK ABOUT RUSSIA THAN WE EXPECTED OVER THE COURSE OF THIS HEARING. ONE OF THE HEADLINES THAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT LIKE FROM MICHAEL COHEN IS THAT HE SAID “NO COLLUSION.” HE KNOWS OF NO COLLUSION WHATSOEVER BY THE PRESIDENT DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND THE FACT THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT SO OPENLY WOULD AT LEAST SUGGEST THAT ROBERT MUELLER’S DONE WITH HIM.>>YEAH IT, SURE SEEMS THAT WAY. THE FACT THAT HE SPECIFICALLY REFERRED TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SUGGESTS THAT THEY’RE THE ONES HE’S STILL TALKING TO, THEY’RE THE ONE WITH THE ACTIVE INVESTIGATION, THEY’RE THE ONES WHO STILL FEEL THAT COHEN HAS RELEVANT TESTIMONY TO PROVIDE. IT SO MAY SIMPLY BE THAT HE WASN’T IN ON ANY DISCUSSIONS, THERE MAY BE THAT THERE’S NO COLLUSION, THAT THERE’S — WE DON’T KNOW. BUT I’LL SAY ONE OTHER THING, WHICH IS THE REPUBLICANS TODAY SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO UNDERMINE HIS CREDIBILITY. WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND THEY REFERRED TO THE CRIMES HE’S COMMITTED HERE, THE LYING, THE BANK FRAUD, THE FAILURE TO PAY TAXES. THESE ARE THE SAME POSSIBLE CRIMES THAT PEOPLE IN TRUMP’S ORBIT COULD BE FACING. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. BECAUSE ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS UP TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN, THIS IS MINOR STUFF. COME ON. FLYNN GOT CAUGHT LYING, OVER, PAPADOPOULOS WAS LYING ABOUT THIS, THIS IS MINOR STUFF, ET CETERA. WELL, THEY MAKING IT OUT NOW TO BE MAJOR STUFF IN CONGRESS NOW. THE REPUBLICANS ARE. THEY’RE MAKING IT CLEAR THIS IS A BIG DEAL, THIS STUFF MATTERS. AND YOU KNOW, WE’LL SEE WHETHER THOSE WORDS COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM.>>LISTEN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, IF WE LOOK FORWARD NOW, WE’VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TODAY TALKING ABOUT THE WITNESS LIST. THERE’S GOING TO BE A REAL DONNYBROOK BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NORTHERN AND CONGRESS. BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT MORE WORK TO DO. AND THEY’RE NOT GOING TO WANT A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE UP ON THAT WITNESS STAND, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE BEEN ALREADY SENTENCED ALREADY LIKE MICHAEL COHEN, THAT MIGHT NOT BE IMMUNIZED, THEY MIGHT DEMAND IMMUNITY TO GET UP THERE AND SPEAK, AND YOU’LL GET INTO THIS FIGHT THAT HAPPENS OFTEN WHERE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY WANTS TO PUT ON A SHOW LIKE WE HAD TODAY, AND THE PROSECUTORS ARE SAYING, STOP, GIVE US TIME TO MAKE THE CRIMINAL CASE. SO I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY INTERESTING FIGHTS IS GOING TO BE THROUGH THE — THE NEXT MONTH, WILL BE THE FIGHT BETWEEN THE LAWYERS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, WHO BELIEVE ME, KNOW HOW TO FIGHT, AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO WANT TO PUT ON A SHOW. AND IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT FIGHT GETS RESOLVED. BECAUSE IF THEY DONATE HAVE MORE HEARINGS, PEOPLE WILL BE ASKING WHY, AND IF THEY BLAME IT ON THE PROSECUTORS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE UNSATISFIED.>>AND PIERRE THOMAS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE’RE WAITING FOR IS THE MUELLER REPORT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT REPORTS ABOUT WHEN IT’S GOING TO BE, WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE FROM ROBERT MUELLER AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, WILLIAM BARR. BUT WE DID LEARN FROM MICHAEL COHEN AS HE WAS JUST TALKING TO DAN ABRAMS ABOUT HIS TESTIMONY, AT LEAST, THAT HE HAD IN EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION. AND WE’VE HAD SOME WARNINGS FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, PERHAPS NOT TO EXPECT TOO MUCH FROM ROBERT MUELLER’S REPORT.>>WELL, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, GEORGE. IT’S CLEAR FROM COHEN’S TESTIMONY TODAY, HE OFFERED NO DETAIL ABOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE REGARDING ANY DIRECT COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIANS. AND THAT’S A FACT. WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER HE WOULD BEEN IN A POSITION TO KNOW THAT KIND OF INFORMATION, BUT AS FAR AS THOSE WHO ARE SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT, HE DIDN’T OFFER ANY DETAILS LIKE THAT. IN TERMS OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, WE DO HAVE EVERY INDICATION THAT IT IS NEARING A CLOSE AND THAT A CONFIDENTIAL REPORT WILL GO TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR IN THE COMING WEEKS. AND YOU’RE RIGHT. WE DON’T YET KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT REPORT WILL BE PROVIDED IN PUBLIC TO CONGRESS AND FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO VIEW.>>ANOTHER HEADLINE FROM MICHAEL COHEN. HE DENIED AGAIN, PIERRE, EVER GOING TO PRAGUE, WHICH IS OF COURSE ONE OF THE MAJOR ALLEGATIONS IN THAT SO-CALLED STEELE DOSSIER. ALSO DENIED OF ANY KIND OF COMPROMISING TAPES OF THE PRESIDENT, ANOTHER ONE OF THE MORE SENSATIONAL ALLEGATIONS.>>THAT’S RIGHT. AGAIN, HE WAS VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF MAKING THE CASE THAT HE HAD NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE REGARDING AGAIN RUSSIAN COLLUSION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT AS GOVERNOR CHRISTIE AND OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT REMAINS AN ONGOING HEADACHE, POTENTIALLY FOR THE PRESIDENT AND THOSE AROUND HIM. AND I WAS STRUCK AGAIN TODAY HOW MR. WEISSELBERG WAS PLACED IN TERMS OF THE CROSSHAIRS OF CONGRESS, IN TERMS OF BRINGING HIM THERE AND ASKI ING HIM MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID OR DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS AND WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S INTENT WAS IN MAKING THE PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS AND THE PLAYBOY PLAYMATE.>>I WANT TO BRING IN PROFESSOR DERS DERSHOWITZ, WHO HAS BEEN OUTSPOKEN ABOUT HIS BELIEF THAT THE KCONGRESS SHOULD NOT BE KBR IMPEACHING PRESIDENT TRUMP.>>I’M NOT AN ALLY OF THE PRESIDENT, I VOTED AGAINST HIM, I’M AGAINST MOST OF HIS POLICIES, I’M AN ALLY OF THE CONSTITUTION. WHAT STRUCK ME MOST IS HOW MUCH LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE WAS REVEALED IN THIS CONVERSATION. I WAS SHOCKED THAT THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS WEREN’T THERE ACTIVELY OBJECTING TO DISCLOSURES MADE ABOUT CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LAWYERS. EVEN IF THE INFORMATION PROVIDES PROOF OF CRIMES, THAT’S NOT AN EXCEPTION. AN EXCEPTION TO THE LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE IS ONLY THAT THE CONVERSATION ITSELF LEAD TO A CRIMINAL. IF IT PROVIDES EVIDENCE OF A CRIME LATER, THAT’S WITHIN THE LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. THAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME. I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND IT. MAYBE THE PRESIDENT’S FEELING IS, LET IT ALL HANG OUT, HIS CREDIBILITY DOESN’T SEEM VERY STRONG. THERE WON’T BE A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION. BUT LOOK, I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS PERSON THAT THE PRESIDENT’S BIG PROBLEMS ARE IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND OTHER U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. I DO THINK THE MUELLER REPORT WILL GIVE A ROAD MAP FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION AND WILL NOT CONTAIN ANY SMOKING GUNS OR PROOF OF UNLAWFUL COLLUSION, BUT THIS WAS NOT A GOOD DAY FOR THE PRESIDENT. CLEARLY, TO HAVE HIS LAWYER AND INTIMATE DISCLOSE SO MANY THINGS ABOUT HIM THAT DON’T BELONG IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. AND IT REALLY DOES RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW POWERFUL THE LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE IS AND WHETHER TODAY WE’RE REALLY WEAKENING IT.>>ISN’T ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THERE, THOUGH, THAT IN SO MANY OF THESE ACTIVITIES, MICHAEL COHEN WAS ACTING MORE AS THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, HE WAS ONLY HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY IN THAT RESPECT, AFTER DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED.>>WELL, NO, THE ROLE OF SOMEBODY LIKE COHEN IS VERY COMPLICATED. AND THE RULES OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION ARE THAT YOU BASICALLY RESOLVE DOUBTS IN FAVOR OF THE LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE, WHEN A LAWYER ACTS IN MULTIPLE CAPACITIES. TODAY, PRACTICE OF LAW IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM LAW A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. MANY LAWYERS GIVE BUSINESS ADVICE, MANY LAWYERS ENGAGE IN ACTIVITIES LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SETTLING A CASE WITH STORMY DANIELS, RESOLVING — THAT’S ACTING IN A LAWYER/CLIENT CAPACITY. NOW, IF YOU TAKE IT TO THE BAR, THEY MAY SAY, NO, NO, NO, THIS WAS WASN’T A LAWYER/CLIENT CAPACITY, BUT THE LAWYER SHOULD ALWAYS ERR BY SAYING, I’M NOT REALLY PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION UNTIL I GET A RULING THAT IT’S NOT COVERED BY THE LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. COHEN SEEMED VERY ANXIOUS TO ANSWER EVERY POSSIBLE QUESTION WHETHER BECAUSE HE HOPES TO GET A REDUCTION IN SENTENCE OR BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING. PEOPLE CAN JUDGE THAT FOR THEMSELVES. BUT HE WAS TOO ANXIOUS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, I THINK A PRUDENT LAWYER WOULD HAVE SAID, LET ME CONSULT BEFORE I ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE IT MAY BREACH LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. MAYBE NOT, BUT YOU SHOULD ERR ON THE SIDE OF PROTECTING THE LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE.>>ALLEN, THANK YOU. ON THAT POINT, MICHAEL COHEN DID SAY TODAY THAT NOTHING HE SAID BEFORE THE CONGRESS TODAY IS GOING TO HELP REDUCE HIS SENTENCE. WHAT’S KEY THERE IS THE INFORMATION HE’S GIVING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT.>>IT’S THE WORK THAT HE’S DOING WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT. AND THE WORDS HE SAID TODAY THAT WOULD SEND A CHILL UP MY SPINE AT THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD BE, I’M IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT. AGAIN, NOW THEY HAVE MICHAEL COHEN AND RICK GAETZ. AND WE HAD NO DISCUSSION OF THE INAUGURAL TODAY. I’M INTERESTING NO ONE ASKED ABOUT THE INAUGURAL — >>JOHN MEANT TO ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION, BUT THAT WAS IT.>>YOU’VE GOT TWO TOUR GUIDES NOW IN THERE, GEORGE, AND THAT’S GOT TO BE REALLY CONCERNING GIVEN WHAT MICHAEL COHEN SAID TODAY. AND THE FACT THAT THEY’VE AGAIN GOT NO SUBSTANTIATIVE DEFENSE FROM ANYBODY.>>THAT IS ALL WE HAVE TIME FOR. WE’RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE AROUND 4:00 A.M. TOMORROW FOR THE PRESIDENT’S PRESS CONFERENCE FROM VIETNAM AND THAT SUMMIT WITH KIM JONG-UN. OF COURSE, A FULL REPORT ON THAT ON WORLD NEWS TONIGHT WITH DAVID MUIR TONIGHT. HE IS IN HANOI. HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON.>>Announcer: THIS HAS BEEN A SPECIAL REPORT FROM ABC NEWS. -Yoo-hoo. Mac, there

100 thoughts on “Michael Cohen Testifies LIVE: Trump’s ex-attorney testifies to House Oversight Committee | ABC News

  1. Cohen is not a rat, he's a Patriot, it takes balls to face the music, his regret is that of having been a mole, blinded and unguided.

  2. Mrs Miller is accusing cohen of all his actions, while trump's doing the same thing in real time as president. Wow [email protected]#ken believable.

  3. Thank you Michael Cohen for testifying and making it clear that you and trump are thief’s and criminals Now it would only be right to pay back all the money you both stole and give it to fund domestic violence shelters and help the homeless all over USA 🇺🇸

  4. Cohen is Trump cleaners. Nothing else. Obviously, the cleaners first job is to lie, 2nd lie, 3rd is too lie. Spiral lies… till lies is the norm, he can’t no longer tell the right from wrong coz he’s already part of the system.

  5. What do you expect from dirty lying baster like Cohen. Another liberal loser.

  6. One of the low points in the US Government.

  7. Yes you cunt miller.youre mad the thruth is out about trump.hes a convicted felon.because he worked for trump.

  8. I don't get Americans can be so blinded? Trump has conned you over and over and over. So sad.

  9. OFF TO JAIL FOR THE SNAKE

  10. Trump 2020 ! ! !

  11. This is not about Norman or cowen this is about Donald Trump.

  12. Best part at 8:36:12

  13. I hope they take cohen word an get trump out

  14. 4:54

  15. Americans should take note and listen carefully to what one of the Democrats said in this hearing. It was stated that congress had the right to request and obtain the tax returns of “any” American and that includes the president. Let that sink in for a moment. If congress wants to target any American citizen up to and including the president, there’s not a damned thing we can do about it. They need no warrant, no probably cause, no reasonable suspicion, no other reason other than that they want it. The bad thing is that he was speaking the truth.

  16. Donald Trump is out of control

  17. IT STARTS AT 1:28:25

  18. thanks for fresh news ………………….

  19. Fox news hates this

  20. your kind of slow ,if there was anything Trump did it would have been but out there ,the fact this has gone on for so long proofs there is nothing and also proofs just how devious this whole ordeal is ,but you know if there is nothing there always will be nothing two years !! ,these leftest dems use any thing slander lies even kill YES kill lets put Hillary and Trump together and look at what has been done these past few years Trump is so clean and Hillary the whore of America is dirty as hell

  21. Can’t even trust your own lawyer

  22. i'm seeing Ben Stiller in SNL skits soooon !

  23. SO? In other words…. THEY HAVE NO SOLID EVIDENCE? THERE IS NO CASE.. . !

  24. Congressman Clay Higgins needs to quit playing like he is concerned about Cohen's family. He is there to try to defend Trump. We don't want to hear your paid for by the party opinions! We all know Cohen is a crook, we all know Trump is a crook and believe it or not, most don't care! Most of the youth do not care about his business dealings with Russia or his extramarital affairs. Tell us why and how Russia is hurting us, in the USA. That is what we need to know in order to feel the outrage that our Veterans, Servicemembers, or Politicians and their children. What we are desperate to have is someone truly looking out for us, not saying one thing and doing another; not lying to our faces while stabbing us in the back. FYI- A hearing should be just that, not the congress peoples opinions about the questions or the person they are interviewing. How unprofessional. The other congressman talking about he sees Trump as a good man trying to help everyone in the country, I would have believed it if I did not know the facts. If I did not see him saying one thing and doing another. He talks a good game. But he lies about what he is doing and why he is doing it. I would not care about that either if it did not directly affect me and the rest of America. I am a Republican trying to hold on, but this crap is ridiculous! I was expecting to see true change with the 2018 tax returns. If only that were true my friends would not be truly upset about their 2018 tax return. They owe more money with the same income they had the year previously. The only difference is they had twins in 2018, so that is 2 additional people to the same income, but know they are paying more taxes. What the Hell! This Tax Scheme was not for the middle class. Again, the mid and lower middle class are paying more taxes per $1 earned than the rest of the USA. I remember a time when the USA new better to be openly greedy, the only ones who paid a chunk in federal taxes were big business owners, the top 3-5% and federal employees. The rest of the USA was too poor to owe, and they understood that. The US would borrow from us during the year and pay back what they withheld at the end of the year. The reason big business owners paid taxes was the people in USA were paying them for their services and goods and they were allowed to do business in the USA which gives them a huge book of business, (most companies were under a monopoly. As New business came in and the monopolies started being opened up taxes were raise on the poor and middle class to offset what they small business could not pay due to losses and but the regular everyday people who did not own business, they were able to write of things off like Utilities, Rent, Mortgage, school and school supplies, like paper books, uniforms and things of that nature, without being business owners and there was a real deduction that could be felt on the tax return, not he pennies on the dollar they give today (where you need a million deductions to justify the time spend calculating them. As the USA became more greedy, coddling big business owners and the top 3 percent their deductions for everyday people began to disappear, while businesses received more deductions. I understand this happening for struggling businesses and small businesses, but the rest is a shame. The people of this great country, like sheep, are having their paychecks led to the slaughter. We pay taxes on food so that the grocery store chains can offset their taxes. We pay taxes on utilities and cell phones that the companies can offset their taxes. The same is true for clothing makeup, wine, beer, and other so-called luxuries. I do not mind business writing off taxes. I have been a business owner and the struggle is real. I do have a problem with the everyday people who really sustain the USA and these businesses paying for their deductions. I do not care if they give jobs, because guess what, people are working for their money. People are also giving them all of their money because they are paying for their products and services and buying their products or services. It is a 2-way street. The people who work for Wal-mart spend at least 30-50% of their earnings in their stores, so they are getting their money back with double interest. Think about it. They buy the product at cost or pennies on the dollar and sell them to the public and their employees for 30 to 200 times the amount that they paid for it. What would happen if everyone all over the world grew their own food, picked their own cotton, spun their own silk and made heir clothing? What if we really became independent like they say they want us to be and had no need for them. Then there would be no need for their services or them. There would be no top 3% there. There would be no need to have leaders or government to pay taxes to, stealing from the real people of the world. We could have a real checks and balances system. But they create these programs and tell us where we can live on our earth and we need to pay them to get it. Really they need us to make their schemes work. So give us our deductions for rent, utilities and all basic needs that we purchase. Do not give us additional taxes to offset these greedy people, because if you don't, these millennials and their children will wise up and make the system you say we depend on obsolete. I am old now, but when I was young I loved growing my own food, fishing, and hunting; living off the land. Making my own clothes was a joy. You are trying to remove these skills from the millennials, but some are wising up and taking back their opportunities to be independent and pressing limits. Why are you so greedy. Why do you feel the need to be financially superior to the very people that allow you to exist by patronizing your goods and services? Stop stealing from the people! For these American businesses who want to outsource their work to another country, ban them from selling in the US. You do not get to receive our money and not pay the taxes or give away the Jobs here in the US. Most of us do not want to talk to someone from another country, not in our country anyway. They can hire Americans in their American businesses that are in other countries. If I am calling from the USA, I want to speak to someone either in the USA or who can be understood. I don't want to talk to someone from India unless I am paying India's prices! I am not racist either. Fair is fair. You don't get to charge USA prices using worker from countries who do not understand our culture what we are saying or why we are saying something. You do not get to charge USA prices and you pay 10% -50% of what an American gets paid. It is Unethical!

  25. I love how all of the Republicans are totally deflecting, and also eating their own words. He has every legal right, whether he seems it "ethical" or not to record conversations. If the freaking FBI is questioning you and you are going to jail…yes…you will be turning over tapes as you would have no other choice. It's ridiculous how these Republican representatives are trying to beat their chests in hopes to get their followers to be so blinded by the nonsense that they won't see the underlying issues here. Cohen is testifying to the information that he has already admitted to and is already going to jail for. These idiots have nothing to defend Trump, so they are just trying to find ways to take away Cohen's credibility. So…if they think Cohen is this corrupt…Trump employed him as his attorney for ten years…think on that.

  26. Wait a second, is he saying orange man bad?

  27. It's rather interesting the Republicans are trying to discredit him by saying taping Trump while not illegal in NY, it's unethical. Or that trying to smear their "God"#45 is reprehensible and a waste of tax payer money and the Democrats are asking detailed questions about corruption around the election, prior to the election and since he's taken office. Hysterical 😂 and sad 😭 at the same time. #45's impeachment would ruin the GOP, put traitors in prison etc

  28. Republicans have no interest in bettering the lives of anyone but themselves. They don't care about infrastructure, the poor, children, no one but millionaires and billionaires who pay them or finance their campaigns

  29. Impeach Trump!

  30. Boarder security lol

  31. Why tf can I fast forward

  32. Jordan is another tool, in the Trump toolbox.

  33. Our President is out order.

  34. Impeach 45

  35. This is a hot mess

  36. He swears? He is Already convicted of lying. Of course the commies will believe him. (commie=democrat)

  37. Why would our President hire people like this?

  38. This dudes shitting in his pants the only thing that's a fact here is he's a liar payed off alot by libtards to knife his former boss in the back Trump did stormy she's Mikes mistress mike got jealous made up shit

  39. Republicans are Bullshit!

  40. The only ones who lack credibility, are the Republicans.

  41. Michael is going down! Down in History forever as an American Patriot, a good husband, a loving father, and friend to many, and the writer of a good book coming out soon! It will be alright M i k e! 😁

  42. Paul Gosar is a condescending bully. Not doing yourself any favors, assclown.

  43. Cohen testicle flies to cabbage!

  44. Drama trump does speak in code. He hints about, like when he hinted to his fan base that if he gets impeached they're going to cause a riot. Pay attention ppl…
    He's not lying when he said that.

  45. Cohen should spend his free time on the streets in a boxing ring cuz he's going to need to know how to fight once he goes to prison. I read somewhere that he's going to be whacked in prison.

  46. Some of these members kept
    telling him he is a liar. Then they said he's a pathological liar and every word
    is a lie and they can't believe anything he says. This guy is going to jail. He
    lost his career. His wife and children are suffering. I guess if his wife and
    children want to see him they will see him in jail. When someone's down, the
    self righteous mob attack them like hyenas eating their poor prey while still
    alive and rip them to pieces, also while still alive. He made mistakes maybe a
    lot and he's paying heavily for it. How many of these people ripping him to
    shreds for lying has never told a lie? Everyone has. Cohen got caught. You also
    see these guys getting caught with all kinds of things almost every day. I'm not
    excusing Cohen but how about a little forgiveness? Do we really get enjoyment
    from his suffering? yes?

  47. The Republicans that spoke today to discredit Michael Cohen will be going down – down in history down in history probably for nothing else!

  48. Dam all those from the Republican doesn't even let Cohen finish his answer and keeps interrupting him and ask the same question all those idiots are saying.

  49. george steponallofus had an orgasm..this shitshow backfired bigtime

  50. I live in a shithole country.

  51. Republican Congress…"Have you no conscience?"

  52. This cohen comits several federal crimes and yet only gets 3 years in prison. Yet an illegal imigrant enters and gets caught then faces 10 years in prison.

  53. America is Clearly Now The Worst Country! Not even Top Ten Richest. Racist, Corrupt, In Dept, Full of Crime & Homeless, Crazy taxes & laws to take money from the people. Police can kill whoever they want. Anybody can be president and do whatever they want. Bush &Trump! Mexicans have already taken over. There are better places to live!

  54. MAGA 2020

  55. Mr. Cohen you are the most despicable human being I think I ever heard testify in a court of law. Your testimony does nothing but throw slander and kindergarten playground bulshit and they are feeble attempts at getting out of jail free cards. You're not a man you're a pussy rat and a big one at that. I hope and pray they throw away the key to your jail cell, because that is the only way you can protect your wife your children and the people of this world nonsense has nothing to do with a person's capability as a president.

  56. The Republicans came off as complete idiots in this hearing. If they're so convinced Cohen is lying…then why aren't they grilling him about his testimony. They just all keep on attacking him about his character…which is unnecessary because Cohen blatantly admitted that he's lied and is going to jail.

    Meanwhile, the Democrats are actually trying to delve deep and get more information.

  57. If Little Mikey said Trump committed crimes, and Little Mikey took pride in being Trump's fixer, then what is Little Mikey's culpability?

  58. We are trying to get an idiot who wants to destroy americans to give up nuclear weapons and you filthy dems are worried about the president lying about some whore he screwed 15 years ago Idiots

  59. Enjoyed watching Cohen calmly remove the balls of each republican that made a puny attempt to convince us that he is lying to Congress again, because Cohen wants more criminal charges, and aggravated charges at that, (because he’s still on the hook for lying to protect Chump). uh huh sure he’s lying…….NOT.

  60. I want to know who the blonde headed lady is sitting to the right and behind Cohen……without knowing, I would assume by her reactions to his testimony, its his wife. If not, then who is it?

  61. Republicans suck

  62. Wait, the republicans want his files pertainng to clients and don't care about client privacy, but turn around and critize him about the tapes. The law doesn't require both parties to be informed, but they attack his ethics. The law is reflective of our ethics, if you have an issue then change the law .

  63. what will be important are the revealed documents that collaborate testimony AND whether the House shall go forth to act on their Constitutional duty with accord to the purpose(s) of this Congressional committee ~ we don't want a final result of "all talk AND no (Constitutional) action"

  64. Americas' historic Democratic Soap on worldwide display. The Dems with their Leftist agenda is a danger to our Democratic Representative Republic which started with the notorious James Clapper.

  65. Cohen pls be a better man in future. We alI know u protected ur boss and had to pay for it. Dont worry !

  66. This is pathetic. Both sides should be ashamed and embarrassed. No one involved here can see through their own bias enough to be impartial. Republicans this, Democrats that, please. You're all at fault here. There is no justice anymore. Let's at least be honest about it. Claiming this hearing was for "the American people" is so insulting. This was supposed to be a Q & A, not a platform for each individual to spew their own agenda before asking leading questions for two minutes. The irony of Hice claiming "there is an agenda today" while spouting his own agenda. Are you kidding me? Is everyone really this thick? You're all bias. You all have an agenda and it's called "being the party with the most control". All of this is so disconnected from what life actually is, what it's about, what real people are going through. This is a circus. This is America.

  67. 7:30:20 is when the hearing starts after the long break. You’re welcome

  68. GOP reps are so morons. Just listen to them!

  69. My husband also speaks in codes so I understand what Cohen is saying. Funny but I never looked at it as being a code but more like insinuations. For instance ( it's 12:00 ) that means where is lunch? ( Is the mail man working today?) That means have you checked the mail? And if you haven't then it's time to check the mail. He even has a code for sending me to bed. ( Are you going to get some sleep tonight? ) Time to go to bed. Or ( aren't you sleepy?) And the list goes on and on. Hahaha I understand this completely others don't get the message but I do. My husband also shares the same birthday as Trump and is very much a dictator.

  70. These republicans act as if they don't lie. They're liars themselves. In fact all they care about is what they can benefit from having some control in our government.

  71. Cohen is right in what he says for the us

  72. #cohen making a change ppl of us

  73. What.about all the money the republicans take from the American people,with the laws.they.pass to benefit themselves.

  74. with "Buffalo Bills" financial documents in hand it appears clear that the IRS should be able AND required to investigate and open up prior tax returns by t-Rump for peculiar fraudulent asset value manipulative practices ~

  75. I believe him period

  76. There are millions of ppl that work 4 ppl & companies that they hate, or feel are unethical. At the end of the day, it's a paycheck; no one being murdered. So, bringing up Trump's character as a reason not 2 work 4 him, is irrelevant.

  77. mr. cohen is the best possible witness for this committee hearing because not only does he know how the cheating works, he reveals the steps in how big money gets what it wants ~ congratulations to a highly credible witness, his documents and his testimony ~

  78. Love one another !

  79. These republicans are traitors to the USA. Nothing else needs to be said.

  80. The black democrats love to use the race card over and over smh. When will it end it’s annoying.

  81. How the fuck somebody in the Russian mob got a office in the white house?😠

  82. Powerful closing statement from Chairman Cummings. Not only did I feel that should resonate in the committee but as well as the civilians of our country.

  83. Republicans: Attempt to discredit Cohen because of his lies in the past.
    Also Republicans: Have no care in the world of all of Trump's CONSTANT LIES and not at any moment, question HIS credibility.

  84. He hates black people his a racist his own lawyer is telling us

  85. All I see is Bringing up sexual scams that he paid before he got into office, if he did or didn't get, over it, but it was ok for Bill Clinton to have a blowjob while he was president, but they didn't kick him out!!! Don't make since the only thing I can see is because the Democratic party is not in the white house and they want to do what ever they can to regain the power and control and to take your rights away. But damn Trump is trying to fight for our rights even if he is a con man and everyone wants him out. Bs is all I say

  86. This is why people like Donald Trump are dangerous and it has nothing to do with being a republican. The same way that Michael fell in line and allowed DT to get him to do and believe all this crap,is how he influences others. Michael Cohen was very wrong to commit the crimes that he did, but many others would do the same

  87. Right from the jump Cohen gets caught in two lies lol! What a circus, what is this the so called two year Russian collusion investigation round two, haha!

  88. So President Trump wanted the campaign and election to further his brand.. every one of his companies and hotels took a financial hit from the jump..that was so stupid when he said that, get real!

  89. I'm not Shure if he knew what the substance of the dump would be..what are they talking about!! Lol 😁

  90. Ms.Lawrence pulled the black victim card.. no surprise here!

  91. Lynne Patton, Trump official at Cohen hearing, claimed he only ‘turned’ when Mueller threatened wife
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lynne-patton-trump-official-at-cohen-hearing-claimed-he-only-turned-when-mueller-threatened-wife
    “What many of you may not be aware of is the fact that I can personally confirm that the ONLY reason Michael Cohen ‘turned on’ the President of the United States is because Mueller threatened to throw his wife in jail for up to 30 years."
    Now we know.

  92. Your such an A-hole Rep Jordan! these republican reps are such suckers to Trump.

  93. He should do the 3 years big time the country will go mad

  94. Liar you know about the mob

  95. Not a good person threaten people for years not so big shot

  96. You never were a big shot you were a puppet

  97. A shit picker up that's What you were and are

  98. The Republican members don't ask a single question about Trump. All they do is besmirch Cohen's character, which unfortunately is easy to do. But this is the strategy used in a courtroom when you have no defense. When you don't dare ask a question because you know the answer and it won't be good.

  99. Throw him in prison. Lied so much. Whats the truth

  100. Being honest is very difficult

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