How to Build a 4K Editing Computer (More cores are not always better) – Smarter Every Day 202

How to Build a 4K Editing Computer (More cores are not always better) – Smarter Every Day 202


– Hey it’s me Destin, welcome
back to SmarterEveryDay. It’s coming up on 1 a.m. I have a problem in my life. Keeps me up at night, keeps
me away from my family, which that’s the one
that really bothers me. It’s rendering, look at this. This particular file
that I’ve been working on right now, nine and a half hours worth of rendering on this thing. And I’ve still got an hour to go. What do you do man? I love 4k 60 frames per
second footage, I love it. Prince Rupert, look at me. The rule of Prince Rupert. (meowing) This is a Panasonic GH5, it
shoots fantastic imagery, but the problem is, the camera hardware is outpacing the computer
rendering hardware. You put that stuff through
that computer right there, it’s crunching, like the
computer’s pegged out, right? And I’m still spending hours
and hours of render time. I need a better solution. So I flew to Seattle, there’s a guy named Jon about to pick me up. He owns a company called Puget Systems, and they make specialty computers
for certain applications. We’re gonna go meet with him. How’s it goin’
– Hey how are you? – Throw stuff in the back? – Yes.
– Awesome. This is is Jon, he owns a
company called Puget Systems, and you’re basically the answer to everyone’s computer problems, right? – Well, not all the problems. (laughing) We don’t really ask what
hardware do you want. We ask what are trying to do? And then we can tell you,
what hardware do you want? – Oh my gosh. And so you start from there and then build the hardware based on what they say. – Right, right. – What? Why is that so revolutionary? – I don’t know, it shouldn’t be. – It should be! You’re kinda tucked away here. It’s kind of a nice little area. – Yeah, we like it. – [Destin] So do you guys
personally believe this? Is that the deal? – Personally believe what? – [Destin] This thing that’s
on the wall behind you. – Oh, well I mean we
have tattoos of it, so — – [Destin] You have tattoos of it? (laughing) Jon took me into the lab,
which is where they test stuff. His brother Matt and
their co-worker William spend the bulk of their time testing different combinations
of hardware in this room. What I found hilarious is that when I would ask a very
specific yes or no question about performance or hardware to buy, it became very clear that every answer I received was going
to come with a caveat. – Sometimes, depends if it’s right. – If it’s set up right,
in supported applications. – Yeah, for that very specific task. – Depends on exactly what you are doing, and the balance between everything. – [Destin] The caveat
there answers because they’ve actually collected the data. They perform a suite of benchmark tests which are a standardized task you can use to see how fast or efficient
a hardware configuration is. Over and over they’ll run a software test, swap out a component and
do it all over again. Here you can see Matt’s
computer is automatically running an Adobe Lightroom
benchmark in the background, thousands of files are being
manipulated automatically. They’ll do this for hours,
then they’ll change out one component, in this case a processor, and they’ll do it all over again. The results of these tests
are a graph like this. In this very specific case, you can see, testing Photoshop, the data shows that this intel I9, whatever, however you say this 8 core processor is the best you can currently buy. Which is strange, because it’s nearly a quarter of the price of the most expensive processor they sell. So the question is how can
an eight core processor run fast than a 12 core processor? Because I always thought that more cores meant it’s gonna be faster. First of all, what does
a core mean, in a CPU. – It’s the computer unit that can execute tasks within
your operating system. And so back before 2005,
it was all single core. And in order to make your computer faster, you just make that chip faster. But in around 2005, we were getting to the point where Moore’s Law was starting to taper off, and we had to find other ways
to make computers faster. And so now we’re more under
this new thing, Amdahl’s Law. That talks about, okay,
if you have multiple cores, multiple processors, that all have to work together, it’s measurement of the efficiency of your software
in being able to do that. – [Destin] What John is saying here, is that even if you have
more cores in your processor, it only makes your computer
faster if the program you’re running is more parallelizable. That’s a word, I looked it up. – One size fits all computing,
those days are over. It’s tailored hardware
for the application. – In the interest of not making this feel like a commercial for your company, who else is doing this in the space? ‘Cause I asked you if
I could come talk about all this stuff, and you agreed
to build a computer for me. So let’s just be clear about that. There’s an exchange happening here. But, who else is doing this? Or is this just you. – Well I mean, I can’t say
that there’s nobody else doing this, but the reason
that we focus so hard on this, is that we see, there’s such a void. You’ll see a lot of places,
that’ll do gaming machines and consumer machines, but
this world of work stations is like where server meets consumer, and it’s kinda this blend in the middle, and we don’t see a lot
of people going after it, and that’s why we are. I could take you out the
warehouse and you could see like how we actually put things together, do quality control and image
computers and what not. – So this is the actual box,
I spec-ed out with William, being built right now. – Yeah. – Okay, and so this is the housing. – Nice little dolly you got going on here. Anyone can assemble a computer. Just like Legos, the hardware is built to click together so
you can do it yourself. But there’s a huge difference
in assembling a computer, and integrating a well running system. According to system’s engineers, all physical components in the world interact with four different interfaces. These four interfaces are spatial, material, information, and energy. A spatial interaction
is how they physically connect together, like
Legos clicking together, or like with screws or something. A material interface would be some type of mass that’s being moved back and forth between different sub-components,
like moving hot air, or fluid through a system. They interact with information by well, I mean this is obvious, it’s a computer, data, moving around, right? One of the more interesting interfaces in a computer system is energy. You have electricity and heat transfer you have to deal with. I just realized that that’s what you are. You’re computer systems engineers. Obviously, you’re name says systems, but systems engineering is about integrating all these different components and seeing how they work together. And if you change one thing,
it effects everything else — – Oh yeah, oh yeah. – Are familiar with the fied
of systems engeineering? – Well, I mean I’m empathizing with what you’re saying right now. Like some example of that, almost all modern computer hardware does thermal throttling. So you’re probably not
gonna break something if you don’t cool it adequately. But you’re not gonna get the
full performance out of it. And so it isn’t enough just for us to see is this computer stable,
because it might be stable but not running at full speed. So that’s why it’s so important that we actually understand what the computer’s gonna be used for. And that we benchmark it, and we know that it’s providing the
performance as expected. – [Destin] Oh, so that’s
why the benchmarks last six hours, because you
have to hit steady state. – [Jon] We have to let
it all heat up, and yeah. – [Destin] Oh, so it’s
not just like processor steady state, power draw,
it’s thermal steady state. If you wanna check out how
they test these interactions, go see the behind the scenes
video on the second channel. What’s going on here? – This is our — – [Destin] You have a laser engraver. – Yeah, we have a couple. This one we use for
etching logos onto things. – [Destin] What the heck dude? Are you about to do mine? – [Jon] Yep. – [Destin] Really? – Uh-huh. – [Destin] So you planned all this. – Yes, this was planned. – [Destin] This was planned. Look at you, being all fancy schmancy. In summary, I have personally fallen into the trap a time or two
where I went to a website, and bought the most expensive machine I could afford at the time, thinking that that would buy me time. Do not do this. In my case, I need to
edit, and I wanna sleep. (whimsical music) Can you put this in the… – Ooh. – So does this mean you’re gonna get to eat dinner with us a lot more? – Heh, yeah. You have the honor, who’s gonna do it? – [Boy] What? – [Destin] Who’s gonna hit the button? I can’t even hear it, can you? That’s the license agreement. You’re supposed to read that entire thing. – C’mon, I don’t have time. – We’re getting everything
ready for you Dad. – I just like lookin’ at
the back, there’s just so many boards. (laughing) – Okay, we have now optimized a computer for rendering capabilities, I’ll tell you the benchmark
numbers here in a second. But now, it’s time to
optimize the bed for sleep. Okay, syncing two cameras up. Here’s how it works. You’re smart, you know
how the internet works, you can tell if people are
trying to sell you something, or if they actually use it, so just listen with your smart brain, and you’ll hear what the deal is here. This video is sponsored by Casper, which is stinkin’ awesome
because I like to sleep. This is a Casper mattress, the way it works is you order it online, casper.com/smarter preferably. They ship it to your
house, you open the box, it inflates, it’s a really
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mattress, I have for years, ever since our fourth
child, it’s got certain amounts of foam in certain locations, they’ve engineered it to
support your body perfectly. It’s the right amount of sink, the right amount of bounce, I’m not just trying to sell you a thing. I’m happy they’re sponsoring, but it’s just the right way to go. You can sleep on it for a hundred nights, and if you don’t like
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thing you have to lose is a sleepless night because
if you don’t like it, they’ll take it back. Check it out, cat approved,
ready Prince Rupert? Look at that. Anyway, I’m Destin. You’re gettin’ smarter every day. Have a good one. I’m gonna get you cat. So you heard my son talk
about dinner earlier. I’m not gonna lie, that kinda hurt. So I’m very happy to say, that after doing this little benchmark, that 11 hour render is now
down to two and a half hours. Now I know that’s an old computer, this is a newer computer, but still. That is a lot of my life back, and I’m very happy about that. Just get robes and wizard
hats and be done with this. Wizard hat, just put a wizard
hat on top of your head, wear robes in here, and like, have a dragon statue or something. Oh dude, golly that feels good.

100 thoughts on “How to Build a 4K Editing Computer (More cores are not always better) – Smarter Every Day 202

  1. As someone who has worked 15 years in the computer assembly and sales industry, I can confirm this is the best way to build and sell computers.*

    What's that star for? Because some people won't listen. Some people will demand specific parts, demand a specific price, or have no clue what they actually want. When someone would ask me for a gaming PC, instead of asking how much they want to spend, I would instead ask what resolution and what games. A computer's specifications should start and stop with the task it will be put to.

    Glad to see other companies are taking this ethos to heart. Stay awesome!

    edit: Oh, nice to see them using quality cases. I built my latest PC into that exact Fractal Design case, and I agree that they are as quiet as quiet can be.

  2. Me quedé esperando como armar un cpu para editar video en 4K y no aprendí como….

  3. Premiere has historically been slow to render and especially encode to H264. The 2018 12.1 version was improved to use Intel's Quick Sync hardware acceleration for encoding (not playback), however to my knowledge the i9-7980XE CPU on your Puget Systems machine doesn't have Quick Sync. There is a 3rd-party NVENC plugin which supposedly enables Premiere to use similar nVidia hardware encoding acceleration. I think the 8-core i9-9900KE is the highest-core-count CPU that currently has Quick Sync hardware. You could try taking a small test timeline, installing the free version of DaVinci Resolve, doing a render/export test, and comparing it to Premiere. This could help determine if the bottleneck is hardware or software. Although your new Puget Systems machine yielded a major improvement there might be further improvement possible for the encode phase if hardware accelerated.

  4. as sson as i saw a RTX 2080 0_0

  5. Duuuuuude….. I’ve been wanting to build a computer and to be able to go to this place would be a dream Dx

  6. Hooray Fractal Design with Noctua fans! Used the same myself on my most recent builds. Fractal Design makes some of the most amazingly engineered cases I've seen in 25 years of building custom PC's.

  7. i cant even stream 4k omegalul

  8. Am I watching Linus tech tips? 😂

  9. Intel is best for running single applications at a time. AMD is best for running multiple applications at a time. If your a game streamer, Ryzen is for you. Single app productivity, Intel is your best option.

  10. you know you dont have to watch your pc render right ?

  11. The i9 9900K is about 4 million times faster than the LVDC of the Saturn 5.

  12. I was already crying rendering 1080p for 3 hours. I didnt know others rendered for 10 hours

  13. adobe after effects plugins :

    PUBLIC NOTICE VIDEO COPILOT elements 3d VFX SOFTWARE HATES INTEL CARDS – chips !!!!!

    HOW `S THAT FOR LAPTOP OWNERS ??

    THIS IS AN ON GOING PROBLEM !

    beware !

  14. humm Destin, how much did you get paid by Intel ? 😂

  15. Another way to edit and render video's is two use two computers. 1 for the overall editing, then offload that to a rendering computer who does nothing else than rendering. Meanwhile you can go work on computer 1 for more editing or other tasks.

    Many years ago I made a two in one computer that did something similar for an architect. It had one hi-res but not powerful video card and monitor for basic CAD editing, and one Nvidia CUDA GPU (with 1024 GPU cores) which did the rendering. This GPU bas connected to a basic monitor to monitor the progress of the rendering. The mother board was selected that he could add 3 more CUDA GPU's. This thing was FAST!

  16. So what are the specs of ur computer?

  17. Pudget Systems should try the new 3rd Ryzen processors they perform pretty close to Intel now.

  18. there many benefits to getting a faster computer, but saying that cutting an 11 hour render to a 2 hour render is going give a lot of your life back, only makes sense if you're staying at the computer watching the counter go down lol

  19. It's very basic and easy. Get the latest i7K model, pair that up to a mother board that is capable of handling overclocking and higher tuning numbers for the processor and memory. Get your self 32gb of DDR 4 ram capable of handling speeds 4266 MhZ, pair that up to and SSD M.2 and a SSD for storage.

  20. Really great job on this. Very easy to watch considering it falls into the tech video category. Thanks.

  21. money is the solution for every problems

  22. more ram

  23. How to build a 4K editing computer?
    Go to that particular company, although apparently this is not an advertisement.

  24. I don’t understand the longer it takes to render the more time you have to spend with the family while it does its thing. My pc is so fast I sometimes wish it was slower so I get a break from it lol

  25. They got money…

  26. You know you can have dinner with your family while your computer is rendering the video, right? You don't have to physically be there the whole time.

  27. click export and render and go do other things with your life

  28. build a threadripper pc

  29. you dont have to sit and watch the pc render

  30. Cool

  31. Got it, buy a computer for games, one computer for after effects, one computer for 3d program, one for photoshop, one to play videos.

  32. Do you guys do laptop too??

  33. Exodus 18: 17-18
    Moses’ father-in-law replied, “What you are doing is not good. You and these people who come to you will only wear yourselves out. The work is too heavy for you; you cannot handle it alone.

  34. Errrm…..You don't have to watch the computer whilst it's rendering. Have dinner with the family while you wait. 😎

  35. 7:11 is sad lol

  36. Put some ln2 on it slacker !!!

  37. As soon as you said "Seattle", I knew it's gotta be Puget System. Cool stuff!

  38. Intel performs better especially in these software due to AVX-512 acceleration, but "generally" more cores with SMT or hyperthreading is better. Applications that utilizes AVX-512 are not that numerous…as of now

  39. Did you meow at the cat?

  40. In 2019 everyone goes gaga over Ryzen. Yay

  41. Please tell me you aren't going to leave that beautiful new machine on that carpet so it can suck in dust ?

  42. So everybody just ignore the consult price?
    I will just save the additional consult price to trial n erro to change the part 😁 ,

  43. Whilst it's a great way for companies to do computers (when the computer has one specific task to do) this is not a great way for consumers to do computers (computer has several things to do). think about the digital artist that has to draw, model, render, preproduction and postproduction. would definitely suck if your computer could only do one of those things well and lagged on everything else (not to mention wanting to game in between). This is the reason for the "market hole" they spoke of. I know, old video but you would have been better off building your own unless you do nothing else but edit video on it.

  44. DaVinci Resolve! It will change your life! No joke.

  45. WANKER

  46. I'm sorry I can't trust a guy with an Apple keyboard, no mousepad, and a lack of cable management, but can afford a 4k camera. C'mon man. Get it together, bud!

  47. Imagine comparing your new CPU to last-gen stuff and saying that it's faster than threadripper because the 1920 x is not as fast…

  48. I think 128gb is a lot more than you need. Instead of that, they should put a better gpu like 2070.

  49. that is why we have render farms

  50. do a quantum computer video

  51. okay? maybe you'll need to build another Computer.

  52. Or let the render run overnight.

  53. More cores are not always better
    SmarterEveryDay : i9 7980XE 18 Core CPU

  54. Good one. But I'm still getting the 3900x. Jokes on you.

  55. Well according to patato jet, you can get a laptop for 2k-3k dollars that will render 12 minutes of 8k video in 9 minutes.

  56. 8 hours? back, your a rich man…

  57. I wonder if Alienware is similar to them.

  58. specs!?!?!? where the specs of what they built!?!? lol

  59. hahaha as If you had to sit there anyway while its rendering..you could go do whatever u want then come back when its done..big baby!

  60. as a "smart" person you should know why you don't throw your cat! (even on a soft mattress)

  61. Very helpful information. Thank you.

  62. How much was it?

  63. Lol, render with gfx, duh. Lol tailored hardware…. for as smartvas destin is, he doesnt scratch the surface here. Now i wonder about all his non rocket science videos….

  64. next up: 8K gaming Computer

  65. How to render fast.
    Get a decent graphics card, 4core minimum, 16gb ram, and seperate OS/applications, source files, and media cache on different drives if you can. Preferably SSDs.
    I have no issues during playing back at full res, rendering the timeline previews takes maybe 30sec-2mins depending. Sometimes using really intensive motion graphics will take 45mins but not very often at all. And I leave that stuff until the end of the project. And rendering out 1-7mins of footage takes about just as long . Sometimes I'm pushing out hour long videos in 25min to an hour depending if I have warp stabilizer, lumetri, and motion graphics.
    I'm perplexed how it takes 9hrs lol must be an old build.

    I7 cpu
    Gtx 1070
    16gb ram
    3 SSDs

  66. Shouldn't it be the opposite? If your computer is rendering for 9+ hours, shouldn't you have more free time doing something else like being with the family? Now it renders your videos faster and you get back to work sooner, hence less time with family.

  67. my crappy lappy dont like ur 4k 60fps 🙂

  68. contacted pugetsystems

  69. Come on get real. All you need to do 4K editing is a GTX-1080 or above GPU with any Quad-Core processor preferably with a speed of 3.5Ghz. or above. An m.2 nvme as a boot drive and an SSD for a scratch disk will be an extra bonus. Yes, the company that you interview is a good company. Let LinusTechTip do this kind of research. You and I know Linus is pretty good with this kind of research.

  70. The title is clickbait

  71. Who's here after the release of the 3970x?

  72. Why im watching this i dont even have a computer 😢

  73. What's your hardware?

  74. What kind of psycho watches their computer render for ten hours?

  75. So,, what specs he ended up?

  76. Can I get a job there please!!!

  77. May I please know what hardware you got?

  78. It's a standard sales technique. Ask the consumer probing questions to tailor fit their needs. Good car or any salesman in general does this.

  79. If Destin wanted time with his family he should have just gotten and AMD EPYC CPU, not whatever that puny CPU is.

  80. Threadripper wants to talk to you

  81. it's just lego, not "legos".

  82. This was a great video. Very informative.

  83. I have been building computers since 1997 and everybody's got an opinion. Most people are limited to how much money they have to spend and using a company like this with their parts markups an fees are going to chew up the avaliable funds in a hurry. More cores are better unless you are strictly using older programs that don't utilize multi-threading.

  84. 3:28 computer geeks already knows all that x) since multi-core processors came out 😀

    Do you actually need to sit when it's rendering? I mean do you render manually? x)

    My point is, if my computer is rendering for 11 hours, that makes 11 hours of no-touching the computer => 11 hours of doing everything else.

  85. And your running Windows?!?! No Linux? Come on Destin! Lol

  86. I love how the Bible verses you pick are so contextually applicable to the video you make! Very fun video, thank you for the resource. Will keep Puget in mind if I need high performance computing in the future!

  87. Dont worry you will find more work to keep you from eating with the rest of the family soon.

  88. Spec sheet of final pc build?

  89. Who sits near to computer while it rendering???

  90. Use a sonnet thunderdock with a sonnet video card dock, amazing.

  91. It's hard to get this selled as new information when you work in that area for two decades. Or when you are interested in computer hardware for two decades. Its not new, its obvious.

  92. I wonder how fast his render speeds would have been with a new Mac Pro, Final Cut, & three Afterburner cards?

  93. yeah, nice… but: HOW MUCH for this Toy?!!

  94. Woah, two commercials for the price of one!!!

    Just kidding, that was very informative.

  95. Did he just Alinty his cat?

  96. Big question. Does GPU affect timeline scrubbing/playback performance?
    I have a i7-8700K OC 4.7ghz, gtx 1070, 32gb RAM 3200mhz, 970 pro nvme SSD.
    BUT h.264 scrubs extremely choppy and even struggles at playing at 1/4 resolution, with colorgrading applied. I HATE proxy workflows so I avoid transcoding.

  97. 3rd gen Ryzen Threadrippers are beating Intel. 😀

  98. He fully just alinity’d the cat

  99. No one watched 4k

  100. MAC OSX, FINAL CUT PRO X AND A MAC PRO ….. DONE ! you wouldn't need to make a program about that …. now have a look at the 2020 Mac Pro …. think smart !!

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