Building a Mancave 7: Framing a hipped porch

Building a Mancave 7:  Framing a hipped porch


all right we’re back here it’s a brisk
morning but there’s no wind again we are getting super lucky with the cold
weather coming in without wind usually those two seem to come with each other
but we’re gonna go ahead and get going on this back end wall which first we got
to get our porch pier brackets installed so we can start building this porch once
the framing is done then we have it properly flashed we can bring the steel
up and over the corner so that’s gonna be the main goal today look at that
brand-new SDS inch and 7/8 the Walt sent out so of course we’re gonna give it a
try pretty much overkill and then Bosch
stopped over yesterday to the job site and brought out these demo bits here
look at the tip on those I was always a Bosch rotary hammer guy but I don’t own
any box rotary hammer is cordless mine are all corded sort of this thing holy
cow honestly I don’t have any review of this
thing I haven’t even used it as you can tell but we’re gonna though it’s got a
soft ramp up adjustable speed let’s go dig some holes Drake what I
think I want to like about this is that most of time when you go ahead and start
in with a rotary hammer it bounces all over the place but this has a really has
a slow start up and then it ramps up so I’m hoping that that takes care of that honestly I feel like very little to no
vibration in my hand but the weight of the tools is the whole
job I love those Simpson type hd’s Simpson
you want sponsor me huh you know it doesn’t happen all the time but when it
does it makes you proud and what I’m talking about is when you pour all of
your porch piers come back in with a laser and every one of them it’s the mark I always say if you spend
time early and if you work at your layout when you put the site in
everything falls together much easier and this is another one of those
examples we’re gonna now be able to cut all three porch post piers exact our
porch post exactly the same I always try to get our cedar s4s so it’s sanded on
all four sides almost always comes out of Boise Cascade there’s a big supplier
or a supply house really close to me and they’ve always got a really nice cedar
product it’s very clean it’s not all cracked out six by six s4s cedar that’s
what we like to do our post-and-beam look on our building we think it sets it
off real nice well I’m I’m super disappointed because I forgot my
favorite beam saw you guys have seen me use it and the tools des vidéos i’ve
used it for the last probably about a year now that’s a super sasquatch I
forgot it at home I try not to keep it the trailer because it is an expensive
tool and I don’t want it to get ruined or something set on it or you know get
it off I guess I don’t want to mess up the precision of it I’ve spent a lot of
time getting it zeroed in and how I like it
and I don’t want it to get hit even though it sits in that sweet case so I’m
having to use my 10 inch chop saw and it requires me to be very careful and I
have to cut halfway through flip it over get it precisely lined back up and then
cut it again and it really sucks especially when I have to cut my miters
here that I’m gonna be cutting for the the header around the corners I couldn’t
do it I had to greg graciously thank you Greg
yes awesome headed back to the shop picked up the beam saw because as you
can see this is all I was able to do on one cut one side of the miter saw I
couldn’t even get down all the way so it’s only a ten inch and it just didn’t
have the depth you know so I’d rather use this anyway we just made the
commitment I’ve got the post we just stood those up so now we’re gonna do is
we’re gonna cut the beams that go around so we’ve got miters out on these two
points over here so that’s that’s the hardest part you got to go in perfect
and this thing does a good job it’s what I ended up doing was I went
ahead and took my receiver and I set it along and right at the top of this post
set it and then I used it to transfer over to these marks here and what that
is is if you look that first line is the top of my post which means that’s where
my header the bottom of my header is gonna die in right here and then this
line I snapped five and a half inches up that’s the top and that’s where I’m
gonna run a two by against the wall so I can support my ceiling and my hip
rafters and all that other good stuff is going to be all based off of that line
which will be the top of my header so now we’re able to I’m gonna put a couple
blocks just to temporarily mount the headers where they die into the seat of
the wall and we’ll get them all mounted up so I spent time to figure out all my
angles calculations figured out what my degrees where where my purlins ended up
on my rafters I got them cut I’ve got the locations marked out now everything
I did was to Center so I’ve also got to always take into account for that so
like for this right here the actual centerline of my purlins is going to
look like that going that way and from this way it’ll be something like this
but you’ll see that when I get up but these are my two hips what happened was
Kyle made a little mistake but it really is gonna be okay you can see how much
bearing I got out here on my post in my corner column where Greg is but what
happened is these are twelve foot two by twelves and I needed twelve foot four
inches so what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna put them up there and then I’m
gonna cut I’ve already cut a couple two by six blocks that I’m gonna laminate to
each side that’s gonna come out to help frame in my overhang now I understand
that’s not you know Oh perfect but let’s be real I’m not
perfect and so this is kind of like the fix on
site in a perfect world I would have to buy 12 16 footers here that I cut down
when I did the initial math I don’t think I was thinking about the one foot
overhang that I had to account for and I typically do a purl in on top of my
rafter which means I don’t need as long of a rafter because it’s actually sunk
down into the roof system so I don’t that really makes sense but this is
gonna be the top of this 2 by 12 will be the top plane of my roof where I’m gonna
put my sheathing and so with that being said I ended up meeting a little bit
longer 2 by 12 but I think it’s gonna work I’m anxious to put them up on the
building and actually see if all of my math is correct because math never lies
the problem is you can do the wrong math and then it could be wrong so hopefully
I didn’t just waste a bunch of time now you can see what we’ve got going so this
was the end of that 2 by 12 that we actually ran short on and we’ve got it
installed we’ve got our other face had done and basically what I’ve done is
I’ve cut blocks with the appropriate angle and all I’m gonna do
just gonna slide them in running them on the top of my header that’s the beauty
is math never lives so we’re gonna put this all together right when I post B’s
and because this is not a perfect 45 degree since we’ve got different
dimensions so this dimension going back that way is eight feet but this is only
seven foot this is actually offset from where the corner of the 40s but that’s
only the hip is offset it will look that will look appropriate once we get it all
done I don’t know if that makes sense there we go rag there we so is this how I wanted it no I really
wanted this two-by-two plane all the way down perfect but you know we’re not in a
perfect world but I think it turned out a lot better than a anytime you do a lot
of math and weird angles you never question all it takes is one mishap I always like to just throw a bunch of
grk screws in here and then I come back in with some luck
2030 I’ve got to do now is cut these purlins
and these purlins they’re what’s gonna go up here on the roof and are gonna
frame in from this wall to this wall that’s my framing that I’m gonna sheet
kind of like the purlins that are up on the main roof what I’ve got to do is
they’ve got a compound angle so as you can see here they’re pitched at a 4-12
to be planed in with the 4:12 pitch of my roof but then on the end they’re also
pitched at forty six point eight seven degrees which if you remember back here
I figured that out so this corner this triangle of my roof is what this is
right here and I did all this math already and it will be the exact same
when I flip flop it over here so I just have to change the angles and this side
I have not done yet in here these will actually carry from one hip to the other
and I’ve dropped down this rafter so that my 2×4 perrilyn will go right over
top of it so these compound angles are a little
bit tough got the chop saw out and you just got to take them nice and slow so
all of the math that I just done was all based on the centerline of these hip
rafters from the wall that’s what I got to do is we’ve got this 3/4 I’m just
gonna mark it at 3/4 and plane it back this way playing it back this way and
this is where my rafters are gonna die in right here and then we’ll use the
math up here we’ve got our snap line this is the top plane line from our our
2 foot 8 rise down to our fascia line and really the math is when there you go
it’s a good example of how if you take the time to do the math
things should work and that’s constant and if you put everything where you’re
supposed to go should straighten everything out as well we’ll get some
hangers over here we remember we did that ledger two by twelve over here
that’s what everything’s fascinating into so we got nice and solid we’ll get
some hangers and then you can see here how this two by twelve is dropped that’s
for a two by four plane to go over top of it we’ll hit some 60s straight down
and then it will plane right into our hip rafters all right were we made our
marks so the major takeaway from this video guys is use math especially when
making complicated dimensional cuts on a project like a hip porch and we’re gonna
go ahead and break this up because the next video will all be about I guess the
finishes will sheet it will get the steel on it will do the trim details but
it’s just too much to put all into one video without sacrificing and I figure
you guys would rather have more content than not enough so we’ll look for you on
the next video make sure you subscribe hit that thumbs up share these videos
with your friends I really appreciate the support and that definitely gives me
the encouragement to keep going but for now we’ll catch you guys on the next
video and stay tuned later

100 thoughts on “Building a Mancave 7: Framing a hipped porch

  1. Thanks for checking out video 7 where we start framing our hip porch. I will be installing the metal and trim details in the next video hopefully in the next day or so

  2. The math is over my head not being there and at least helping but let's just say I am IMPRESSED!!!!

  3. Kyle, you do the maths (I'm a Brit!) really well but honestly it is so much easier using the metric system. Have you thought about trying it? Love your videos!

  4. I'm a second year apprentice in the carpenters Union and this work looks like so much fun. I wish I could learn under you. I have done a bunch of metal stud framing but wood framing seems so much more interesting

  5. Just hit the subscribe button brother, looking forward to more videos!!

  6. Those Simpson concrete fasteners are fantastic. They bite like nothing else.

  7. It's called rough framing for a reason…your craftsmanship is outstanding!!

  8. 1:42 Those gloves on My Dewalt Though…LOL

  9. I think my brain just exploded!!! Nice job on all of them cuts!

  10. I want that camo hat, and I want your team to come up to central MN in a few years to build my man cave shed. Love your videos

  11. Now this guy is a real framer..

  12. 馃挭馃挭馃挭

  13. Yo
    I wanna b positive brah
    But, your framing sucks
    Even after all the math..
    Any way
    Keep on trucking….

  14. When you get a chance, take time to read "Discipline Equals Freedom, by Jocko Willink. This may help you get even closer to the perfection that you are striving for. Thank you for taking the time to teach the rest of the world.

  15. That hip porch looks perfect !!!

  16. I'm framer in California the hip valley work is different up here I don't understand were u gonna brake your 4×8 sheet plywood

  17. Hi, amazing video!!!

  18. What the?? Canelo does construction and speaks English

  19. What kind of speed square do you have?

  20. Math is the Devil's work. I am Reporting you for Math Porn.

  21. Would u ever make a video giving a brief or extensive, your choice on how you come up with your measurements. The math part has always been something I struggle with

  22. Can I work for you? I鈥檇 work for 7 an hour just to be taught by the best.

  23. What's that thing on your speed square with the level vial ?

  24. Ok I just can鈥檛 stand it anymore you have two problems, you get too technical and boy do you love yourself on the camera, just show the progress that is the reason we are watching this shit!

  25. That beam saw is a monster. I'm a finish carpenter and used this saw to cut 4.5" thick wood panels. Build my self a track to ride this saw on for more precision . And you can get semi finish blade for it. The results are pretty good. We have felstool track saw ts 75 but it will only cut 2 15/16 " deep. So i feel you there Its not your everyday saw but when you need one you need one. worth every penny. Good job on your builds! Subscribed.

  26. I worked with a guy that could do that math in his head. A great carpenter. To bad the foreman we worked under was an ass and didn't appreciate him.

  27. that Skil Saw, imagine bring that to saw fight, you call that a saw? This is a saw !

  28. Why don't you guys have a draftsman to do the math for you? Maybe you just enjoy it but it would be easier with a computer.

  29. Man you worry too much. Everyone knows laminated is stronger. Your customers getting more for his money. Everybody wins. Been watching your videos this evening and very impressed with your precision and conscientious approach with all your jobs. Good work.

  30. I wish I would have paid better attention in school 馃槱

  31. I hope we can see the slab go in

  32. how do you like that Milwaukee impact driver. that's the first time seeing that

  33. I can't believe the size of that Skill Saw. I have not to this day seen it on the shelf. I guess I need to look harder. It is definitely nicer to make one cut on a cedar beam like that and get a smoother cut. that is a monster saw for a hand saw wow

  34. Why doesnt Milwaukee put lasers on the saws, especially a chop saw and circular saw?

  35. I do enjoy your videos, Thankyou for the effort you obviously put into them and your work. Infact I'm from Eastern part of IA so I've possibly seen some of your work in my travels into/across Illinois…I digress haha, sorry.
    ***My question:
    Asume you'd want to make the ceiling of this porch into vaulted ceiling, how or can that be done? I find the issue in the removal of the ceiling ties (the bottom 3rd of the triangle as I see it in my head). The long joists that make up the angle of the roof do have the building structure to lean against and downward onto the structures wall supports so are the bottom ties/ceiling joists/rafter ties, (I'm not sure of the exact terminology) completely necessary or would removal of them want to push your outermost posts of the porch roof outward, or basically would the roof wanna kick out the wall bc there's nothing connecting that wall to the ledger board of the building. I hope I didn't confuse this too much to understand. I appreciate your viewpoint/answer to this. Thanks –

  36. I like the new DeWalt SDS. I've used the previous one. It does a great job on drilling concrete. Using the SDS verses the DeWalt 20V brushless hammer drill your bits last a lot longer and it takes way less time to drill out some tough stone and brick

  37. What kind are those hammers

  38. Great videos and fun to follow along, but the lack of hearing protection when using power tools make my tinnitus hurt just by watching.

  39. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

  40. To notch stuff mate, precision work.

  41. Very very good great work bro
    Wow nice lovely I like

  42. Hey we used to refer to ourselves as "close enough Construction"… our motto was, "if it's good enough for close enough, it's going to be good enough for a customers"….

  43. Roof cutting is cake at least for me

  44. Where did you get your spirit level and angle tool from 5:53 – 6:00

  45. Although you seem to fix the mistake, it does look like a hack job. I would have replaced the wood and used the short run wood where it would be appropriate or on another job.

  46. LOL the time it took you to work it all out on a piece of paper I would have cut that all on.

    Sometimes you just have to get on with it, bro. 馃憤馃憤

  47. That looks the business! Awesome work

  48. You are good my friend God bless
    From Mexico like your video

  49. Give ya credit on the cut off the wall joining beam above but joint. Tricky cut. Only 5th hing I'd note myself is there shouldive been a 1 by in the center to stop the 2by from wanting to ride down the 2by12.. other then that.

  50. those anchor screws kinda seems flimsy.
    If it were me, I'd drop epoxy down there and screw them just to create a stronger bond. Although preferably setting the anchors with concrete is best.

  51. S4S = Surfaced 4 Sides, not sanded 4 sides. They are run through the milling machine at a lower feed rate to give more knife cuts per inch which yields a smoother surface. Just a FYI, not busting balls !
    Love your videos !

  52. I hate math and I suck at it. This guy is a perfectionist hard to come by in this type of business. I don鈥檛 know why he didn鈥檛 just recur that 2×6 a little longer so it was the way he wanted it. I would have him build my garage anytime if he lived anywhere near Arizona lol.

  53. Fantastic content. Thank You for all your video effort.
    Carpenter here in the UK.
    Wish I was in the US working on projects like yours.
    We don't get to do the great work that You do over here.

  54. Sweat. Can't see mistakes. It happens.

  55. Why didn鈥檛 you place a rafter against the building and just run Perkins to the wall as that is not enough to support any roof load.. Also why didn鈥檛 you cut the tail on the hip rafter to go all the way to the corner of the facia as apposed to nailing to rafter tails to the hip rafter. Seems like your adding more work?

  56. Nothing like dewalt giving you that big ass hammer drill for you to advertise and you showed it for two seconds that screwed the bolt in with a Milwaukee drill and gloves lmao

  57. S4S = Surfaced 4 sides

  58. Math never lies your right. You make mistakes right. USE A STRING LINE !!!!! If have 12 inch over hang set string line and avoid stupid math mistakes. Scabing would not happen on my building with screws none the less.

  59. Great Videos.

  60. No it don't make sense order the right the right length Lumber do the job right scabbing it together

  61. hack just kidding nice save

  62. Where could i learn this math on youtube its very interesting

  63. She鈥檚 a real beaut Clark!

  64. 袪屑邪泻谐褉械谐芯褉 褔褌懈谢懈 ?)))

  65. Svensson ?

  66. He sure acts like he's perfect, anal about everything. "Oh well I didn't want to bring my tool because I will scratch it even if it's in the steel box. 馃槅

  67. Don't worry about that error, it was fixable….
    Thanks for your videos

  68. Scarf joint sort all the messing about out with a short hip timber

  69. I can do this in 10 minutes

  70. What kind of speed square do you use?

  71. With a brand new bit that seemed quite slow

  72. sad, always a plug for some product – have you ever searched AVE on YouTube, you should see his vids…

  73. No one is perfect. I like that 馃榿

  74. you always have plenty of time to talk but hey great work has always

  75. Men can you stop talking about mat. And just get it done it鈥檚 a simple roof it鈥檚 not complicated at all馃槀馃槀

  76. It's a slow ass saw!!!!!

  77. If your a pro you can just get up there and just get it done without all that bullshit math! What did it take you, a half day to figure all that out and still relied on luck.

  78. Love your videos man! I'm doing contract work overseas, but looking forward to getting home and plying my trade on my own homestead. Nothing is better than working with your hands.

  79. Ryan, as a framer who has done lots of multiple bastard hips, I am not sure that your solution isn't stronger. Lots of mistakes have created new and better solutions. Nice work brother.

  80. Well done, impressive!

  81. Hey Kyle. Very curious, but how much would a project like this cost? Thanks for any response. @RRBUILDINGS

  82. I have no idea how I found this series, but now I鈥檓 a subscriber. Yes. The dude that can鈥檛 even hang shelves in his wife鈥檚 laundry room; the man that stopped checking his kids鈥 math homework when they hit 7th grade, is now a subscriber. Life is weird.

  83. What brand work pants are those??

  84. El Canelo?

  85. I am no professional I just have a thought about using nails vs. screws.

    It seems like because nails bend and/or pull out with stress and screws snap that a house framed with screws will fall in an earth quake or heavy wind but one framed with nails has a better chance of surviving because it will give some.

  86. I never framed a hip roof like that. No purlins. Hip rafters, common rafters, jack rafters.

  87. We always paint/treat the post bases with copper napthanate to help prevent rotting especially as the post bases have the lips up so they actually catch a little water.

  88. That corner is actually a saddle style corner and we see them regularly on post and beam. I鈥檝e seen some people call them tenon corners also but I don鈥檛 feel that鈥檚 accurate as there isn鈥檛 a mortise that鈥檚 is weight bearing. Either way, we see lots of corner like that where exposed eves are the plan

  89. Wow Canelo Alvarez is an American pretending to be a Mexican Boxer?

  90. So many different brands of tools! Wouldn't it be easier to just pick a good brand like Dewalt and stick with that?

  91. All scabs should be at least 4 ft for code…. Hmmm…. Why make square cuts on a 90 degree corner for your facia.. And in a lift.. Should be 45d…….. Perlin blocks wtf??? You used solid runs.. There are no actual perlin blocks used here… And now you have to add alot of blocks to deck this roof as framed incorrect…. Do not do this……

  92. SUCK DOWN………..

  93. This is not how you frame a hip roof FYI lol

  94. When it comes to heavy duty and able to take the abuse of a construction job, very pricey, but Hilti is the top of the chain.

  95. Any building is only as good as the foundation it is sitting on.

  96. Yes number dont lie math is alway right when the calculation is correct

  97. Is this a joke. I did this for over 35 years, now retired, I've never seen this done like this before. You keep referring to the math, what about the building code? That doesn't lie either, this wouldn't pass where I live. You could have at least put a cleat (rafter) on the wall where you toe screwed your purlins to the wall to stop the roofing from flexing. Looked like you had one drawn in on your paper, but never installed it.

  98. 13:18 damn, that's "3-D" math, very complicated, you must be a very smart guy in the high school!

  99. Nice work. I noticed you didn鈥檛 put a ledger against the house to tie in your roof for edge nailing and what not. I would have done it with a ledger. Finishes out better for sheeting and drying the roof in. Good work tho man!

  100. Bastard hips are a big head scratcher for most carpenters

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